First when we shot down the satellite we tell the international body about it before and then we offered to share intel on tracking the the falling pieces whenChina comes in and "Demands" the US share intel on the falling pieces.

Now in the news We accidentally shipped 4 ICBM fuses to Taiwan. That's pretty bad for us, but I was reading in an article when the news broke that we got the fuses back and were launching an investigation into the matter. It said China had yet to respond, but today, China responded and they say they "demand the US side thoroughly investigate the matter and report to China in a timely manner."

That's just retarded. We say we're going to share data with the international community on the satellite then China comes in and demands we share data with the international community. We say we are going to investigate the delivery of nuke fuses and China comes in after and "demands" we investigate.

:blink:

It kind of looks like they are telling us what to do.

After whe say we are doing something.

I'm wondering if shipping those fuses to Taiwan was really an "accident". Seems like a pretty good way to let China know we could have nukes on their doorstep without actually threatening them.

But it's not like we don't already have enough nukes in the China sea on board subs to blow China to hell several times over.

What's scary is the fact we have a defense treaty with Taiwan to protect it's sovereignty and the number of missiles China has pointed at Taiwan.

I remember reading reports a couple of years ago the numbers were so high that China could literally level the island in about 4 hours using only conventional weapons. The only thing holding them back was the economic impact it would have in the region and they would use patience instead to persuade Taiwan to rejoin the Mainland Communist Government.

The treaty could put the US and China on a collision course in the end, but it is thought any use of nuclear devices wouldn't be limited to just Southeastern Asia. We could possibly suffer an attack on our mainland, which is now obtainable thanks to William Jefferson Clinton's treasonous acts in selling or giving China our long range weapons system technology.

The Chinese economy is booming and they are ramping up their war machine. As the economy expands at an alarming rate, the need for fossil fuels, and the lack of, could progress or escalate the situation even further.

More on Taiwan here

http://www.comw.org/cmp/

http://www.comw.org/cmp/special/taiwan.html

China's Military Strength

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/wor...hina/index.html

Looking at those numbers and facts, nuclear would be about our only chance of winning.......

Not only that but the Russians are starting rebuild their military also with the capital made from their oil.

IMO we passed on a huge opportunity in forging a good relationship with the Russians when the Soviet Empire collapsed.

However, Putin (like the Chinese) refused in being a Anglo/Zoinist puppet.

I don't think we have a defense treaty like you say. The first article I read about china and the missle fuses quoted a US general that said the US maintains a one China policy: That Taiwan is a part of China." We might have a "defense treaty in some other way but the bottom line is we're not going to war with China over Taiwan.

America has a defense treaty with Taiwan, but honoring that treaty would likely mean war with China

You plagerized that.

Word for word :o

I have to dis-agree with that, Doc.
True, China would be tough to take out in an invasion of China but they lack the mobility to move enough of them fast enough to prevent being stopped by the US if they have to move by water?
In other words, without a powerfuf Navy?
They are sitting ducks.

The treaty was enacted in 1979 during the Jimmy Carter Administration. There was much out rage through out the country that such an agreement would even exist, especailly since the US position was they Officialy recognized China and the Chinese government as the sole authority and Taiwan as a providence of China.

The question was, why would we protect, or attempt to protect a providence from it's own ruling authority and could we be sucessful in doing so? It was considering meddling by many in the political arena as well in the fact that we, the United States, wouldn't accept any other countries interferring with our governance of US territories or providences.

The answer was simple.

Keep in mind that in 1979 we WERE in an Arms race with the USSR and did things to position ourselves closer to the Soviet borders for "Strike Back" capabilities, without launching ICBM's across the "poles".

Even though we were closing military bases in Taiwan, we still maintaned the infrastructure by furnishing Taiwan with our military technolgy and equipment. So relocating to the island in case an event occurred was simply a matter of hours, not years since our Pacific Fleet is heavily manned and armed.

In exchange, we agreed to protect Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion.


At any rate, here's the treaty and you can decide for yourself.....


U.S.-China-Taiwan Military Relations

Volume 5, Number 11
April 2000

Written by James H. Nolt, Senior Fellow, World Policy Institute
Issue Editor: John Gershman (Asia Pacific)
Editors: Tom Barry (IRC) and Martha Honey (IPS)


The U.S.-China rapprochement was founded in a fundamental realignment of U.S. foreign policy embodied in the Shanghai Communiqué of 1972. Washington agreed to support Beijing's bid for the UN seat formerly held by the Nationalist Chinese government on Taiwan, and the U.S. withdrew its military bases and forces from Taiwan. Washington restored full diplomatic relations with Beijing in 1979 and withdrew official recognition of the Taiwan government. Yet the U.S. has maintained "unofficial" relations with Taiwan under the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act. This law also mandates U.S. military protection of Taiwan in defense of its independence from China, while not disputing Beijing's claim that Taiwan is merely a province of China.




http://usinfo.state.gov/eap/Archive_Index/...ations_Act.html

1979 Taiwan Relations Act

(4) to consider any effort to determine the future of Taiwan by other than peaceful means, including by boycotts or embargoes, a threat to the peace and security of the Western Pacific area and of grave concern to the United States;

(5) to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character; and

(6) to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan.
[c]Nothing contained in this Act shall contravene the interest of the United States in human rights, especially with respect to the human rights of all the approximately eighteen million inhabitants of Taiwan. The preservation and enhancement of the human rights of all the people on Taiwan are hereby reaffirmed as objectives of the United States.
IMPLEMENTATION OF UNITED STATES POLICY WITH REGARD TO TAIWAN

SEC. 3. (a) In furtherance of the policy set forth in section 2 of this Act, the United States will make available to Taiwan such defense articles and defense services in such quantity as may be necessary to enable Taiwan to maintain a sufficient self-defense capability.


Key words;
WILL
MAKE
AVAILABLE

DEFENSE SERVICES

Defense services - Our military forces.........

Great point and even more evidence that before they became a "sitting duck" they would resort to using tactical weapons.

They do have the capacity to launch multiple warhead missiles.

How accurate are they? No one knows for sure, but they did shoot a satilette out of orbit recently to demnostrate they have the accuracy needed to pin point warheads.

Their best defense effort would be to hit the US mainland and create turmoil here, before being annihilated on their mainland. In other words, IF we're going down, so are you.

The other scenario involves invading the Middle East with ground forces and cutting off all Oil supplies to the free world.

Without Oil, we're dead in the water as our National Reserves would only operate our military and military support needs for less than 6 months, while the country starved for fuel.

And your point is??

That he plagerized it.

DUH :bash:

The navy idea was in the article too

Whatever, Flight.
The real point is, you were wrong in saying there was no defence Treaty with Taiwan.
I proved it, Doc proved it and sooner or later you proved it to yourself.

I didn't lay it out as a fact. I just based the thinking on what a US general/Admiral said. If you read it again you will see that I didn't say we didn't have a treaty with them. I did stop and think when Doc said their "sovereignty" because I thought only independant state could have sovereignty.

I did say I doubt we'd go to war over Taiwan.

OK, I went back and re-read what you said..............

As far as Taiwan's sovereignty, they have claimed independence from the Chinese mainland since the Japanese gave up control of the island after WW2. They refuse to be dictated to by the PRC even though they are part of and controlled by the Republic of China.

The goal of the people is to establish a Republic of Taiwan and have stated all along they would fight to the death defending that independence.

Obtaining that goal could draw the US, Japan, and the UK into a military confirmation with China.

Wiki some more to get a better understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence