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Title: The Coming War with Iran:
Description: It's About the Oil, Stupid


Alfred E. Neuman - April 14, 2008 05:24 PM (GMT)
Posted this in the peak oil thread, but thought it deserved its own thread. We'll be in continual war to keep our access to the last of the easy to extract oil on the planet. Cheney wasn't kidding when he told us to be ready for war that would last generations.

The Coming War with Iran: It's About the Oil, Stupid
Posted April 13, 2008 | 01:35 PM (EST)

World civilization is based on oil. The world is running out of oil. The oil companies and governments are not telling the truth about how close we are to the end. Dick Cheney knew about peak oil back in 1999 when he spoke to the London Petroleum Institute as Halliburton CEO. He predicted it would come in 2010. After that it's just a matter of years before it runs out. Whoever controls the remaining oil determines who lives and who dies.

Sixty percent of this oil is under a triangular area of the Middle East the size of Kansas. In that speech Cheney said: "The Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies."

This small Middle East triangle encompasses the northeast of Saudi Arabia, all of Iraq and the southwestern part of Iran, along with Kuwait, Qatar and the Emirates. The US controls Iraq. It has friendly governments in the other states.

Iran is the exception. The US now surrounds Iran.

Controlling an area the size of Kansas shouldn't be a problem for the U.S. military, except that it is heavily populated and many people in the triangle don't want the Americans there and are willing to fight.

It's been known for at least thirty years that America needs alternative energy sources. But instead of an alternative energy plan we got the invasion of Iraq by oilmen wedded to a dying business, willing to kill hundreds of thousands to cling to the last drop. The US is never leaving the region or withdrawing from Iraq. McCain is right about staying, but 100 years is too long. The oil won't last that long.

Iran is next. Lieberman set up Petraeus to testify last week that Iranian-backed groups are murdering hundreds of American servicemen in Iraq. On Friday Gates called Iran's influence in Iraq "malign" and Bush said if Iran keeps meddling in Iraq "then we'll deal with them." They are building their case for war with resolutions in the Senate and at the UN. It's only western Iran, from the Iraq border to 150 miles inside the country that the U.S. will have to occupy. That's where Iran's oil is. But the U.S. will have a nasty battle on their hands in Iran even if they restore a Shah-like puppet in Tehran 30 years after the revolution.

The Saudis would not mind seeing the Iranian regime go. But the Saudis may also be on the list. The US may have to destabilize and control Saudi Arabia some day too. The Wall Street Journal a few years ago revealed that in the 1970s under Nixon, Kissinger had plans drawn up for the US invasion and occupation of the Saudi oil fields. Those plans can be dusted off.

The American oil wars are being launched out of weakness, not strength. The American economy is teetering and without control of the remaining oil it will collapse. There will be massive chaos in any case, when only enough oil remains for the American elite and whomever they choose to share it with.

That will leave an oil-starved China and India, both with nuclear weapons, with no alternative but to bow to America or go to war.

It's not about greed any more. It's about survival. Because the leadership of this country was initially too greedy to switch from oil to solar, wind, geothermal and other renewable alternatives, it may now be too late. Had the hundreds of billions of dollars poured into the invasion and occupation of Iraq been put into alternative energy the world might have had a fighting chance. Now that is far from certain.

What is certain is that these wars are not about democracy. They are not about WMD. The coming one will not even be about Iran's nuclear weapons project. It's about the oil, stupid.


Steve_Bartkowski - April 14, 2008 05:32 PM (GMT)
Scary but true. Energy independence should be considered a national security issue at this point. Err, it should have probably been considered that years ago...

BrockSamson3000 - April 14, 2008 06:03 PM (GMT)
Time to get all conspiracy theorist on it:

Toward the end of the year, post-elections, we declare war on Iran. Any number of scenarios allow this to happen, but I think it will be the "we have conclusively confirmed that Iran was behind X attack on American soldiers in Iraq."

Then under the guise of a state of emergency, Dick Cheney wrests control of power from GW and declares himself President. Martial law prevails, the newly elected president has to wait until Cheney declares the emergency over, which will never happen.

Then, over the next 15 years we get entangled in wars with just about every ME country.

Do I think it will happen? No. Would I be surprised if it did? No.

Alfred E. Neuman - April 14, 2008 06:18 PM (GMT)
My main concern isn't that Bush/Cheney will do something that devious. It's more that we're so far on the wrong side of being able to do anything about our energy crisis that no matter who is President, the decision to go to war to secure our energy needs will be inevitable.

It's like the article said, if we'd started in 1980 with an energy policy that said we will be energy independent with a focus on fossil fuel independent, we'd be fine now. But we let greed get in the way of our best interests and we kept feeding the addiction. Now it may be too late to make the change.

BrockSamson3000 - April 14, 2008 06:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Alfred E. Neuman @ Apr 14 2008, 01:18 PM)
My main concern isn't that Bush/Cheney will do something that devious. It's more that we're so far on the wrong side of being able to do anything about our energy crisis that no matter who is President, the decision to go to war to secure our energy needs will be inevitable.

It's like the article said, if we'd started in 1980 with an energy policy that said we will be energy independent with a focus on fossil fuel independent, we'd be fine now. But we let greed get in the way of our best interests and we kept feeding the addiction. Now it may be too late to make the change.

True, and it illustrates the inherent similarities between our two major parties. Neither has any desire to enact drastic sweeping changes that, while beneficial in the long run, could lose them an election or two in the short run. So both will stick to the status quo, importing our energy needs and securing "American Interests" internationally through force when necessary.

gritzblitz56 - April 14, 2008 06:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Alfred E. Neuman @ Apr 14 2008, 12:18 PM)
My main concern isn't that Bush/Cheney will do something that devious. It's more that we're so far on the wrong side of being able to do anything about our energy crisis that no matter who is President, the decision to go to war to secure our energy needs will be inevitable.

It's like the article said, if we'd started in 1980 with an energy policy that said we will be energy independent with a focus on fossil fuel independent, we'd be fine now. But we let greed get in the way of our best interests and we kept feeding the addiction. Now it may be too late to make the change.

When have you ever known our government to be that proactive?

We will ignore the 800 lb gorilla in the room as long as he's not in front of the TV.

falconfoozball - April 14, 2008 07:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 14 2008, 12:25 PM)
When have you ever known our government to be that proactive?

We will ignore the 800 lb gorilla in the room as long as he's not in front of the TV.

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