Title: Interesting figures abt Israel, jews and Arabs
Description: Go figure.
snake - April 15, 2008 05:12 PM (GMT)
Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION.
or 20% of the world's population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1990 - Elias James Corey
1999 - Ahmed Zewai
Economics : (zero)
Physics: (zero)
Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
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The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 FOURTEEN MILLION
or about 0.02% of the world's population.
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charle s Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abra ham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
TOTAL: 129 ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE
The Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of non-Jews.
The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics or blow themselves up in German restaurants.
Jewish leaders do not call for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them!!
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:
'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel' - BB. (Benjamin Netanyahu)
BlackTalon - April 15, 2008 05:48 PM (GMT)
Are you trying to drum up support for Israel occupying Arab lands?
The next thing you know, we will be asked to sacrifice our military and resources in defence of the Zionist state.
''By deception we wage war.'' (Benjamin Netanyahu)
gritzblitz56 - April 15, 2008 06:03 PM (GMT)
I still can't get over Arafat winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
Tigger - April 15, 2008 06:42 PM (GMT)
''By deception we wage war.'' (Benjamin Netanyahu)"
Try reading that a few times in your head snake and you might understand something.
HolyMoses - April 15, 2008 07:27 PM (GMT)
Cleary, we are justified in killing as many Arabs as possible!
Maybe we should make a similar comparison between folks from Georgia and New York?
HolyMoses - April 15, 2008 07:29 PM (GMT)
Anyone who doesn't think Jews brainwash their children has never met a Jewish mother.
Alfred E. Neuman - April 15, 2008 07:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (HolyMoses @ Apr 15 2008, 02:29 PM) |
| Anyone who doesn't think Jews brainwash their children has never met a Jewish mother. |
Must get pretty good results. You guys got the market cornered on good doctors and lawyers.
deathdawg - April 16, 2008 02:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Alfred E. Neuman @ Apr 15 2008, 01:39 PM) |
| QUOTE (HolyMoses @ Apr 15 2008, 02:29 PM) | | Anyone who doesn't think Jews brainwash their children has never met a Jewish mother. |
Must get pretty good results. You guys got the market cornered on good doctors and lawyers.
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Don't forget scientists!!!
I also can't think of any rabbi's that aren't jewish. lol
Steve_Bartkowski - April 16, 2008 02:43 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 15 2008, 12:03 PM) |
| I still can't get over Arafat winning the Nobel Peace Prize. |
Ya that's what caught my eye...
snake - April 16, 2008 03:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackTalon @ Apr 15 2008, 11:48 AM) |
Are you trying to drum up support for Israel occupying Arab lands?
The next thing you know, we will be asked to sacrifice our military and resources in defence of the Zionist state.
''By deception we wage war.'' (Benjamin Netanyahu) |
We have NEVER asked Israel for help and they have not asked for American soldiers to participate in any of their wars. We do offer support and we do act as a back up to Israel but unless they were being overrun or somehow nuked we stay out. This is just to MAKE a point that with all those Muslims they DO NOT compare inregards to accomplishments that the Jews make, with far less #'s.
BlackTalon - April 16, 2008 04:19 PM (GMT)
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| We do offer support and we do act as a back up to Israel |
In addition to nearly $3 billion in direct aid, Israel usually gets another $3 billion or so in indirect aid: military support from the defense budget, forgiven loans, and special grants. While some of the indirect aid is difficult to measure precisely, it is safe to say that Israel˙s total aid (direct and indirect) amounts to at least five billion dollars annually.
That is U.S. aid to a population of 7.1 million people and they won`t even accept it in U.S. dollars anymore.
It`s has to be sent in Euros.
Second, Israel is not required to account for specific purchases. Most countries receive aid for very specific purposes and must account for how it is spent. Israel is allowed to place US aid into its general fund, effectively eliminating any distinctions between types of aid. Therefore, U.S. tax-payers are helping to fund an illegal occupation, the expansion of colonial-settlement projects, and gross human rights violations against the Palestinian civilian population.
Moreover, the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act prohibits military assistance to any country "which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." The Proxmire amendment bans military assistance to any government that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to allow inspection of its nuclear facilities, which Israel refuses to do. To understand why the U.S. spends this much money funding the brutal repression of a colonized people, it is necessary to examine the benefits for weapons manufacturers and, particularly, the role that Israel plays in the expansion and maintenance of U.S. imperialism.
gritzblitz56 - April 16, 2008 06:19 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackTalon @ Apr 16 2008, 10:19 AM) |
| QUOTE | | We do offer support and we do act as a back up to Israel |
In addition to nearly $3 billion in direct aid, Israel usually gets another $3 billion or so in indirect aid: military support from the defense budget, forgiven loans, and special grants. While some of the indirect aid is difficult to measure precisely, it is safe to say that Israel˙s total aid (direct and indirect) amounts to at least five billion dollars annually.
That is U.S. aid to a population of 7.1 million people and they won`t even accept it in U.S. dollars anymore. It`s has to be sent in Euros.
Second, Israel is not required to account for specific purchases. Most countries receive aid for very specific purposes and must account for how it is spent. Israel is allowed to place US aid into its general fund, effectively eliminating any distinctions between types of aid. Therefore, U.S. tax-payers are helping to fund an illegal occupation, the expansion of colonial-settlement projects, and gross human rights violations against the Palestinian civilian population.
Moreover, the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act prohibits military assistance to any country "which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." The Proxmire amendment bans military assistance to any government that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to allow inspection of its nuclear facilities, which Israel refuses to do. To understand why the U.S. spends this much money funding the brutal repression of a colonized people, it is necessary to examine the benefits for weapons manufacturers and, particularly, the role that Israel plays in the expansion and maintenance of U.S. imperialism.
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The money we send to Israel is nothing compared to the american dollars funneled to the facist regimes surrounding them only because we need the oil they sit on to avoid economic collapse.
Alfred E. Neuman - April 16, 2008 06:43 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 16 2008, 01:19 PM) |
| The money we send to Israel is nothing compared to the american dollars funneled to the facist regimes surrounding them only because we need the oil they sit on to avoid economic collapse. |
Shrub had the chance to be one of the greatest leaders we've ever had. He could have used the tragedy of 9/11 to lay it out for the American people, and he had the support to get whatever he wanted done. He could have use the opportunity to tell us we're done supporting the very people who want to kill us. We're done having our very economic existence tied to the regimes who support the terrorists. He could have given the mandate for us to get self sufficient, and for America to make sacrifices to reach that end as fast as possible.
Instead, he sent us to the mall.
I'm not naive enough to think that if we did become self sufficient and pull all our troops out of the 700 bases we run around the world that the Islamofascists would leave us alone.
But I'd feel much better about killing several hundred million of them if we'd at least try it first. Because if we left them alone in their sandbox and they still caused us trouble here, I'd kill every single one of them.
Tigger - April 17, 2008 05:15 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 16 2008, 12:19 PM) |
---The money we send to Israel is nothing compared to the american dollars funneled to the facist regimes surrounding them only because we need the oil they sit on to avoid economic collapse.---- |
Are you serious, so you prefer sending money to Israel with NO RETURN on American taxpayers money then sending it to regimes that atleast RETURNS your dollar with oil.
gritzblitz56 - April 17, 2008 01:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tigger @ Apr 16 2008, 11:15 PM) |
| QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 16 2008, 12:19 PM) | ---The money we send to Israel is nothing compared to the american dollars funneled to the facist regimes surrounding them only because we need the oil they sit on to avoid economic collapse.---- |
Are you serious, so you prefer sending money to Israel with NO RETURN on American taxpayers money then sending it to regimes that atleast RETURNS your dollar with oil.
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Did I say that? Did I even imply that?
I would like you to kindly show me where I said that I preferred ANYTHING. All I did was make a statement of fact.
I would expect this kind of dishonest and childish tactic on the OMB.
Tigger - April 17, 2008 02:07 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 17 2008, 07:23 AM) |
| QUOTE (Tigger @ Apr 16 2008, 11:15 PM) | | QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 16 2008, 12:19 PM) | ---The money we send to Israel is nothing compared to the american dollars funneled to the facist regimes surrounding them only because we need the oil they sit on to avoid economic collapse.---- |
Are you serious, so you prefer sending money to Israel with NO RETURN on American taxpayers money then sending it to regimes that atleast RETURNS your dollar with oil.
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Did I say that? Did I even imply that?
I would like you to kindly show me where I said that I preferred ANYTHING. All I did was make a statement of fact.
I would expect this kind of dishonest and childish tactic on the OMB.
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Oh well Sir please explain what you said because I just re-read it and still stand by previous post. Please enlighten me.. Gritz
btw how are ya long time no see....
gritzblitz56 - April 17, 2008 02:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Tigger @ Apr 17 2008, 08:07 AM) |
| QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 17 2008, 07:23 AM) | | QUOTE (Tigger @ Apr 16 2008, 11:15 PM) | | QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 16 2008, 12:19 PM) | ---The money we send to Israel is nothing compared to the american dollars funneled to the facist regimes surrounding them only because we need the oil they sit on to avoid economic collapse.---- |
Are you serious, so you prefer sending money to Israel with NO RETURN on American taxpayers money then sending it to regimes that atleast RETURNS your dollar with oil.
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Did I say that? Did I even imply that?
I would like you to kindly show me where I said that I preferred ANYTHING. All I did was make a statement of fact.
I would expect this kind of dishonest and childish tactic on the OMB.
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Oh well Sir please explain what you said because I just re-read it and still stand by previous post. Please enlighten me.. Gritz
btw how are ya long time no see....
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I merely said that we should not be as bent out of shape about sending money to Israel as we should be about sending a hundred times as much to facist regimes who actively support terrorists who are sworn to kill us. All so we can stay dependent on foreign oil.
And yes, it's been a while. I will be here more often since the mongoloids have taken over the OMB. How's things in Montreal?
BlackTalon - April 17, 2008 05:37 PM (GMT)
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| I merely said that we should not be as bent out of shape about sending money to Israel as we should be about sending a hundred times as much to facist regimes who actively support terrorists who are sworn to kill us. All so we can stay dependent on foreign oil. |
I have to call BS. :bs:
Do you even know who the top 5 exporters of oil to the U.S are?
Over 70% of our emported oil comes from only 5 countries and only one is in the M.E..
That would be Saudia Arabia coming in at #2 behind Canada with Mexico being #3.
Maybe we should declare war on the fascist regimes in Mexico and Canada as they are sworn to kill us and take their oil before it`s too late?
Actually, the truth is Gritz.
You are trying to justify the outlandish aid to Israel by obfuscation of the issue with BS about money spent on oil and implying the money goes to terrorist.
Alfred E. Neuman - April 17, 2008 06:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackTalon @ Apr 17 2008, 12:37 PM) |
| QUOTE | | I merely said that we should not be as bent out of shape about sending money to Israel as we should be about sending a hundred times as much to facist regimes who actively support terrorists who are sworn to kill us. All so we can stay dependent on foreign oil. |
I have to call BS. :bs: Do you even know who the top 5 exporters of oil to the U.S are? Over 70% of our emported oil comes from only 5 countries and only one is in the M.E.. That would be Saudia Arabia coming in at #2 behind Canada with Mexico being #3. Maybe we should declare war on the fascist regimes in Mexico and Canada as they are sworn to kill us and take their oil before it`s too late?
Actually, the truth is Gritz. You are trying to justify the outlandish aid to Israel by obfuscation of the issue with BS about money spent on oil and implying the money goes to terrorist.
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I don't think you're quite getting Gritz's point here.
We need to be outraged that we send upwards of 5 billion dollars to Israel every year.
We also need to be outraged that we spend s4everal orders of magnitude more than that on the other regimes in the ME that have sword to destroy the U.S. We may not send them money in the form of direct aid, but we spend the better part of half a trillion dollars a year keeping the ME "stable". While we don't import massive amounts of oil from Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc, we have to ensure that all hell doesn't break out there and disturb their exports to the world market or ALL oil will be too expensive for us to buy it from anyone.
gritzblitz56 - April 17, 2008 06:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackTalon @ Apr 17 2008, 11:37 AM) |
| QUOTE | | I merely said that we should not be as bent out of shape about sending money to Israel as we should be about sending a hundred times as much to facist regimes who actively support terrorists who are sworn to kill us. All so we can stay dependent on foreign oil. |
I have to call BS. :bs: Do you even know who the top 5 exporters of oil to the U.S are? Over 70% of our emported oil comes from only 5 countries and only one is in the M.E.. That would be Saudia Arabia coming in at #2 behind Canada with Mexico being #3. Maybe we should declare war on the fascist regimes in Mexico and Canada as they are sworn to kill us and take their oil before it`s too late?
Actually, the truth is Gritz. You are trying to justify the outlandish aid to Israel by obfuscation of the issue with BS about money spent on oil and implying the money goes to terrorist.
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I'm not justifying anything. I would much rather that we withdraw all support, both military and financial from the ME entirely. But why do you think that we haven't done that?
Why did we support the Shah in Iran?
Why did we support Saddam when he was at war with Iran?
Why did we rush to the aid of Saudi Arabia when Kuwait was invaded?
Why did we invade Iraq?
Our foreign policy regarding the ME has not changed no matter which party was in power. Why have we been so intrusive in that region if we did not need their oil?
Israel gets support because we have used them to our own ends in that region.
BlackTalon - April 17, 2008 06:52 PM (GMT)
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Why did we support the Shah in Iran? Why did we support Saddam when he was at war with Iran? Why did we rush to the aid of Saudi Arabia when Kuwait was invaded? Why did we invade Iraq?
Our foreign policy regarding the ME has not changed no matter which party was in power. Why have we been so intrusive in that region if we did not need their oil?
Israel gets support because we have used them to our own ends in that region. |
The CIA has a long history of involvement in the Region but our policy has changed over the years to suit the needs at the time.
The Shah was a western puppet and was ousted by the Islamic Clergy.
We supported Saddam as long as he was useful but when started trying to unify the Arabs against Israel, he had to go.
Why defend Saudi Arabia and attack Iraq?
You know the answer, we could not allow Saddam to control of those oil fields and he was a direct threat to Israel.
IMO, the Zoinist use the U.S.A. to meet their needs and demands more that America uses them.
Flight58 - April 17, 2008 07:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (snake @ Apr 15 2008, 11:12 AM) |
The Jews are not promoting brain washing the children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of non-Jews.
The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics or blow themselves up in German restaurants.
Jewish leaders do not call for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them!!
Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:
'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel' - BB. (Benjamin Netanyahu) |
I agree that Muslims and especcially Muslims that live in the middle east should toss out extremism and pursue more intellectual subject,, but the last part sounds just like white people talking about inner city blacks :dunno:
gritzblitz56 - April 17, 2008 07:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BlackTalon @ Apr 17 2008, 12:52 PM) |
| QUOTE | Why did we support the Shah in Iran? Why did we support Saddam when he was at war with Iran? Why did we rush to the aid of Saudi Arabia when Kuwait was invaded? Why did we invade Iraq?
Our foreign policy regarding the ME has not changed no matter which party was in power. Why have we been so intrusive in that region if we did not need their oil?
Israel gets support because we have used them to our own ends in that region. |
The CIA has a long history of involvement in the Region but our policy has changed over the years to suit the needs at the time.
The Shah was a western puppet and was ousted by the Islamic Clergy. We supported Saddam as long as he was useful but when started trying to unify the Arabs against Israel, he had to go.
Why defend Saudi Arabia and attack Iraq? You know the answer, we could not allow Saddam to control of those oil fields and he was a direct threat to Israel.
IMO, the Zoinist use the U.S.A. to meet their needs and demands more that America uses them.
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Other than lobbing a few scud missiles and supporting Palestinian terror groups, Saddam was never a direct threat to Israel militarily. Any mobilization against Israel would have resulted in a very quick and decisive ass whipping just like Egypt and Co. received on two other occasions.
I acknowledge Israel's right to exist and their right to self defense. Other than that, I have no agenda as far as they are concerned.
But let's not kid ourselves and think that we would give two shits about the ME if it were not for the oil.
BlackTalon - April 17, 2008 10:16 PM (GMT)
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| But let's not kid ourselves and think that we would give two shits about the ME if it were not for the oil. |
I have to partialy dis-agree with that, here is the reason why.
First point, the reason many of the Arabs hate to U.S. is our undying support of a racist, oppressive regime that`s is disguised as a democracy.
You have underestimated the power and influence of the Zionist Lobby in D.C..
The Zoinist are expert at getting others to wage their wars for them.
Don`t confuse the issues with oil with issues that have their roots going way back but yeah, oil is a big factor
Lets look at a little history..
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Israel Is A State Based On Ethnic Cleansing And Land Theft Fallacy And Bankruptcy Of The Zionist Project Commentary By Nizar Sakhnini 4-17-8 The eighteenth century was the heyday of the imperialist lust for world-wide hegemony and control. Wealthy European Ashkenazim, who were facing discrimination in Europe, wanted to use this opportunity in order to establish a state of their own and rid themselves from the discrimination they face in Europe. Creation of a Jewish State in Palestine could not have happened without the help provided by the imperialist powers. For the imperialist powers, such a state would form a militarized outpost and a base for control of an area that is rich with oil resources. Napoleon Bonaparte was the first European leader to appreciate the special services a Jewish state would offer in facilitating his imperialist and colonial ambitions and issued an invitation for a Jewish convention for all European Jews in 1807. Palmerstone of Great Britain was interested in facilitating Jewish immigration to Palestine in 1840. When Britain bought the Egyptian share in the Suez Canal Corp. in 1875, Lord Rothschild (Baron de Rothschild) financed the deal. Two years later, Lord Rothschild financed the first Jewish settlement in Palestine, Betah Tekfa. (For more details, see Mohammad Hassanine Haikal, Secret Negotiations between the Arabs and Israel in Arabic pp. 21-51. See also Peter Grose, Israel in the Mind of America, New York, Alfred A. Knopf, 1983, p. 8) Herzl made it clear that if the Great powers granted Palestine to the Zionists and guaranteed their existence, they would there [in Palestine] "Form a portion of the rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism" (Theodor Herzl, The Jewish State: An Attempt at a Modern Solution to the Jewish Question., p. 30) General Shlomo Gazit, a former Israeli Military Intelligence commander, stated that "The geographical location of Israel at the center of the Arab-Muslim Middle East predestines Israel to be a devoted guardian of stability in all the countries surrounding it. Its [role] is to protect the existing regimes: to prevent or halt the processes of radicalization, and to block the expansion of fundamentalist religious zealotry. For this purpose Israel will prevent changes occurring beyond Israel's borders [which it] will regard as intolerable, to the point of feeling compelled to use all its military power for the sake of their prevention or eradication." (Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, p. 10) When the Zionists began to talk about creation of a state in Palestine, the number of Jews living in Palestine did not exceed 10,000. Accordingly, creation of a "Jewish State" in Palestine required Ethnic Cleansing and Land Theft. And this is exactly what started in 1948 and is still going on to this date. Yossef Weitz, director of the Jewish National Fund (JNF) Lands Dept. and a major settlement executive, wrote in his diary in 1940: "it must be clear that there is no room in the country for both peoples If the Arabs leave it, the country will become wide and spacious for us The only solution [after the end of World War II] is a Land of Israel, at least a western Land of Israel [i.e., Palestine], without Arabs. There is no room here for compromises There is no way but to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, to transfer all of them, save perhaps for [the Arabs of] Bethlehem, Nazareth and old Jerusalem. Not one village must be left, not one [bedouin] tribe. The transfer must be directed at Iraq, Syria and even Transjordan. For this goal funds will be found And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers and the Jewish problem will cease to exist. There is no other solution." (Benny Morris, The Birth of the Refugee problem, 1947 1949, p.27) According to Weitz, "Transfer does not serve only one aim to reduce the Arab population it also serves a second purpose by no means less important, which is: to evict land now cultivated by Arabs and to free it for Jewish settlement." Therefore, he concluded: "The only solution is to transfer the Arabs from here to neighbouring countries. Not a single village or a single tribe must be let off". (Ilan Pappe, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, p. 62) This is exactly what started in 1948 and is still going on to this date. And after sixty years of wars and bloodshed what was the result for Zionists? The number of Palestinian Arabs within the boundaries of Mandate Palestine is almost equal to the number of Jews and the land is still owned by the Palestinian Arabs. On 30 March 1976 Palestinians under occupation since 1948 and holding Israeli citizenship held a general strike and demonstrated peacefully against a wave of land confiscation. Six young Palestinians were shot dead by the Israeli army. The Rabin government, at the time, refused to set up a commission to investigate the killings. Subsequently March 30 was commemorated annually as the Land Day. (Nur Masalha, A Land Without a People: Israel, Transfer and the Palestinians 1949 96, London: Faber and Faber ltd., 1997, p. 136) It is about time for the Jews living in Palestine to admit the fallacy and bankruptcy of the Zionist project and to accept to live in peace and harmony with the Palestinian Arabs as equal people with equal rights and to allow the Refugees to go back to the lands and homes that were stolen from them. |
About Saddam, you have to remember that he was removed preemptive style by U.S. forces based on lies furnished to the Neocons by Israeli intellegence.
He was in fact, propped up by the CIA untill word leaked that he had designs on a unified Arab front.
When he was taken out of power, he was not too big a threat but if he was allowed to expand into Kuwait and then into Saudi Arabia, he would have been able to finance his ambitions through more oil money and been a major factor and threat with a modernized military and manpower.
Tigger - April 18, 2008 03:45 AM (GMT)
very well said Black Talon
Tigger - April 18, 2008 03:56 AM (GMT)
gritzblitz56 - April 18, 2008 02:40 PM (GMT)
Again, I have no agenda concerning Israel one way or another. But our involvement in the middle east is completely self-serving and not due to any mystical mind control on the part of Zionists.
You clearly have a hard-on against Israel and I don't really care about them either way enough to debate their legitimacy. I will stand by my assertion that our involvement in the middle east is more of a function of our economic dependence on cheap oil and not any kind of grand Zionist conspiracy.
BTW, one could argue that the United States was also founded on ethnic cleansing and land theft. Such is the case with many nations on this planet.
snake - April 18, 2008 06:14 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gritzblitz56 @ Apr 18 2008, 08:40 AM) |
Again, I have no agenda concerning Israel one way or another. But our involvement in the middle east is completely self-serving and not due to any mystical mind control on the part of Zionists.
You clearly have a hard-on against Israel and I don't really care about them either way enough to debate their legitimacy. I will stand by my assertion that our involvement in the middle east is more of a function of our economic dependence on cheap oil and not any kind of grand Zionist conspiracy.
BTW, one could argue that the United States was also founded on ethnic cleansing and land theft. Such is the case with many nations on this planet. |
Gritz, we support Israel because of our close ties and that they're a big partner/democracy in a region that IS important to America and our interest. Also, the Jewish state is such a small % of the overall ME that its a non point for palistinians and other Arabs to cry abt it. We will always support Israel like we will support Australia, England, Irland and so forth. Oil needs to be drill here, bottom line.
Alfred E. Neuman - April 18, 2008 06:43 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (snake @ Apr 18 2008, 01:14 PM) |
| Oil needs to be drill here, bottom line. |
Waste of time, effort, money, and environment.