Exactly what the title said.

Signed,

Brachiodude

I have to agree.


Signed, DarkHououmon

Why? FYI, I can't tell you how many "old" discussions that pop up every now and then at the GOF and yes I answered the exact same way every time, but I'm not out to quell certain discussions because they've been repeated so often.

Sorry. ::changes her post::

Didn't have to change your post because I know what you mean, but I'm not in support of stopping t-rex vs. spino discussion just because its been repeated many times.

I just get angry when I see those types of topics. That's why I'm in favor of stopping them.

I will agree.

Signed,

eyesaurSy

I disagree. I don't have a problem, as long as they don't turn into a huge flamefest (which I haven't seen in a little while). Though it does get a little annoying...

I'm inclined to side with Adam on this one, but that should not discourage those of you who feel strongly about this. I'm well aware that this topic is brought up time and time again, perhaps more so than most topics on JP message boards and I'm also well aware that this topic is more likely to deteriorate into arguments and insults rather than respectable debate, however, that doesn't mean that I believe that this topic is without value. If handled properly, this topic can bring about a better understanding of these two popular animals and maybe even help some to better appreciate one or both animals. There's something to be gained from every topic as long as it is conducted in a manner that is respectable to all participants and open to discussions from multiple angles.

If you are simply tired of seeing the same topic brought up time and time again, then you can either just ignore it or, find one of your posts from one of the older debates and copy and paste your opinion in that thread. For all you know, the new version of that topic could take a different direction than before and you might very well have something new to talk about.

It simply seems a bit unfair to me to deprive a person who may be new to JP the right to start a thread on this subject. They aren't guilty of the various arguments throughout the communities. As I said, it's possible for someone to bring a new perspective to the old debate that causes you to look at a particular point in an all-new light.

This is just something for all of you to think about.

I see.

And since the search function on this board is sort of broken at the moment, those members really would have no way of knowing if a topic was brought up before unless they wanted to sift through pages of posts.

I just want to point out that the search function is unavailable on all InvisionFree communities, not just this one. I myself would love to have a search function that works, but we have to wait until the next upgrade is made across the InvisionFree network.

See you DO research the support forums you little teaser. :P I never told you the search feature was down at all boards.

Well it is common knowledge that the search function is unavailable on all InvisionFree forums. Details like that are easy to remember. :P

Common knowledge for admins perhaps....not the newbie who starts a new topic titled "Who's your favorite: T-Rex or Spino?"

;)

I rest my case...I wouldn't punish people just because they're new. We were all new members once and probably made a mistake.

I'm confused...I don't think that was what this petition was about.

Excactly. This petition was about stopping the spino vs t-rex discussion.
I just find it unnecessary to continuously create these kinds of threads, since they all come out to the same conclusions:Spino's jaws were too weak to bring down large prey, while T-rex's jaws were powerfull enough to kill the spino. From now on, all vs. discussion should be in one thread that's stickied at the top of the Jurassic park discussion section. And it should be in the rules that everyone reads before they join.

I'm surprised that Dino_slayer hasn't responded to this thread yet.

Just my 2 cents.

Well, the problem isn't in the actual subject, but the attitude many newbies and young members talk about it with. That is what has always angered me with these topics. People simply forget their manners when trying to often violently defend their side of the debate, something I see as very uncalled for and inappropriate. It's simply a common problem that used to hugely depress me just a few years ago. Only until a few months ago I could find a proper way to digest it. I learned that some people are immature regardless if there was a Jurassic Park film with many people's favorite dinosaur far too quickly killed by something else. Many of just need something to get dangled in so they can be sentimental. That's the biggest problem with these debates. And I feel that is what needs highly secure filtering. We need to teach people(who are often new) to take it less seriously.

I'm aware of that and I've stated that I'm not supporting that move. Should we decide not to implement this ban on t-rex vs. spino discussion I'm saying don't get up in arms over people that start these topics. That's it.

That I could live with.

That can be done without a ban on t-rex vs. spino discussion.

I like the idea of a stickied thread, but include it in the rules? In all honesty, do you think a new member reads the rules before posting? I would bet most don't.

I agree with you there... but the thing with younger members is, they don't know how to conduct themselves maturely. What I mean by that is, they lack practical experience in holding discussions. When you're young, like say eight, ten, or even twelve, you tend to speak your mind without analyzing the impact of your words on others. You have to cut younger members some slack because of this, in my opinion.

I'm still in agreement with Adam's position, but feel free to continue debating this. I anticipate there will most likely be a policy change in early 2007 regarding this issue, but at the moment, an outright ban isn't likely to be included in that change.

Oh.

I have noticed that these three topics can start debates(and probably way more others):

1) Trex vs. Spino ( obviously)

2) U.S.S. Venture mystery

Im not sure, but i think this one is kinda new.

3) the beginning of JP3.: what attacked the boat? ive seen this in the seadinos topic at jp Discussion thread.


I feel that all these topics can get out of hand at times, but dont deserve to be "banned". and if people dont feel comfortable with them around, i could live with them in their own thread or little section. but i strongly disagree for them to be forbidden.

And like you said EOG, i didnt really read the rules. :O i kinda just wanted to check what the people write right away.

There's nothing wrong with debates... as long as they are held in a respectable manner. :)

It's great that you are honest enough to admit that, but you really should take some time to read through them. It's all pretty basic stuff... basically, as long as you have common sense, you won't end up breaking a rule.

i'm tired of all of this rex and spino stuff so i agree


signed,
Compy-Rex

I see we're proposing censorship of the forum against all topics, discussions or forms of conversation having to deal with Tyrannosaurus rex versus Spinosaurus. Well, here's my two cents.

It's an annoying topic that's been overdone, and I do agree that it should go into the crapper, however, as long as the discussion is peaceful and there are not flame wars, then people have a right to talk about, or to discuss, whatever they so choose. If they are peacefully discussing T.rex vs. Spinosaurus, but you don't want to have anything to do with the topic because you are entirely sick of it (like most of us are, including me), then just ignore it. You really shouldn't let the topic bother you so much as people flaming each other do. If they start flaming or yelling at each other because of it, then yes, they do deserve punishment, undoubtedly. But why punish free speech just because it involves a topic you're tired of reading about? Just ignore it. Seriously.

Peace

~Minstelae~

I didn't sign this petition to punish anyone.

Seriously, guys, to stop topics that you are tired of seeing is not cool. like EOG said, new members to the board might be interested in making a topic about this and we shouldnt decide on prohibiting that. it might actually lower the popularity, and decrerase the amount of people joining. im just saying it might. just ignore them or they will have their own little thread. but as EOG also pointed out, this will be dicussed around the beginning of the new year.

I've already started the discussion in the staff room. With the holidays here and most people off of work and school I don't think this is something that should wait.

DH, it's not a literal punishment; its only there if you saw the topic the way I did.

well, i strongly disagree in doing away with topics like these. :fight

Basically, the new policy regarding this topic and other common debates will probably be this (and I say probably because some staff members haven't commented yet):

In the General Jurassic Park Forum, there will be a stickied topic that will contain a list of links to threads that cover common debates. This means there will be one topic for the Spino vs. T-Rex debate, one for what happened to the Venture crew, and so on.

If a new member starts a thread that relates to an already-existing debate thread, the new thread will be locked and the member will be directed to the older thread. No warnings will be issued.

Banning this topic isn't necessary though. While we do limit free speech to some extent, the types of topics we prohibit are off-limits for a good reason. There is nothing inherently harmful or inappropriate about this topic.

Now that is something I support.

I'm glad that you feel that it is a fair compromise. :)

yeah, me too. ill sign for that. not this petition. :cool2

I have to admit I'm fed up with the same topic reappearing across all the JP boards because it seems to go round in circles... I wouldn't want to see anyone banned, or any topics closed, but it has to stay civilised.

I like the idea of a stickied topic, so any newbies who start a new "Spino / T. rex fight" thread can be pointed in its direction :)

I believe it is Communism if you restrict one's thoughts, ablility or rights.

Topics, I believe, fall into that category.

Stopping T.Rex v. Spino is Communism!

(although i really hate the topic)

So, we live in a communist nation then, in America? Abilities and rights are regulated by our federal, state, and local governments in order to maintain law and order. It's a necessity to regulate action and rights in order to ensure the society does not fall - having *absolute* freedom and rights is dangerous and damaging to the very fabric of the country.

We regulate what can and cannot be done here for efficiency and order. Having one topic dedicated to the discussion of a topic that comes up time and time again is better for several reasons. For one, it allows for everyone that wants to express themselves to do so in that one thread, so you have everyones thoughts and feelings collected in one place. This allows for a more comprehensive discussion that offers more viewpoints. Thus, that one topic is far more likely to be one of quality and more effective than, say, ten similar ones, where people get tired typing out their feelings time and time again, or just choose to ignore it. Another reason for limiting this subject to one thread is so that we can better moderate it. This topic seems to attract remarks that would be considered counter-productive or come close to violating our rules. Multiple topics would increase the chance that we would miss a certain remark or comment.

Another thing, the members of this community voted and endorsed this policy, so what you have then is a policy by the members for the members. :)

How is trying to stop the Spino VS T-Rex topics restricting thoughts, abilities, or rights? How is it communism?

Do you think people should be allowed to say what they want all the time? Would that not lead to chaos? Without restriction, things could get out of control. A society with no rules is scarier than a society with rules.

Free speech has its restrictions. In the US, a person is free to say anything they want that does not end up causing violence or death. Say a person runs into a movie theater yelling "FIRE!" and causing everyone to panic and run out, trampling people. The person who yelled "FIRE!" is responsible for the deaths because he is the one who caused them.

If we didn't have restrictions like that, there would be a lot more unrestricted violence in this country.

Gee that sounds familiar. :RollEyes You want to hear my speech again about that?

Besides, it's not like we have banned the subject matter surrounding the Spinosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus Rex discussion. Any and all members are more than welcome to start discussions on these two dinosaurs, as long as those discussions take place within the official thread for this topic. Also, this is not the only topic that has been limited to just one, long, continuous thread - it's one of several.

Yes, let's hear from the socialist! ;) :hah Isn't that what you were accused of being at one time at your own board? :lol