I am so shocked as to the medias ignorance on this story.

The selfish lazy parents decide to go out to dinner and leave three children under the age of 5 alone in a room and check on them every f half hour, yet the knife is being turned on the Spanish police, who aren't doing enough apparently?

It takes a minute for a child to wake up and hurt themselves, or wake up and wonder where the hell are mummy and daddy. The parents are hardly paupers yet they couldn't use the creche available on site?

Or is just normal for parents to do this? If so I'm glad I'm not a 'normal' parent cos this is just slack parenting in my eyes, not acceptable at all.

And I do pray to God that little Madelene is found safe and sound.

I think the regret they are feeling at the moment outweighs any judgement we as outsiders can put on them.

RK, I think you can rest assured they won't do it again.

nb. the Spanish police wouldn't do much, as they're in Portugal.

Fair point IT.

And PGFC thats no excuse for the Spanish police to sit on their arses.

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to be fair the Portuguese police have very little experience of this kind of thing they don't even have a specialist unit dealing with Paedophiles which is probably why the Algarve's crawling with them.

But you'd think that given that common knowledge and the basis of fighting crime is if there's a need for prevention you'd usually try and put steps in place to help prevent it.

Bloody Spanish police ;)

While you have to sympathise with the parents who's had their daughter kidnapped, it does seem to be a gross misjudgement on their part to have left three children under the age of four alone, and it's not as if they had no choice. Apparently the resort offers a free creche so that parents can go out by themselves and, in my experience, restaurants in Portugal (or southern Europe
generally) are very child friendly.

It's just so typical of the British press to blame the local police.

Why take your kids to the Algarve anyway? I presume it was for the parents benefit. Personally, I always wanted to take the kids abroad but did not bother until they were in junior school. When they were little, we took them to the beach over here with bucket and spade because when you are a toddler, that is a damn sight more exciting than having to stay out of intense sunlight and being bored shitless by 'foreign things' that have no meaning.

I get angry when parents do not take proper parental responsibility. If you want to go out partying or whatever without having to take responsibility, that is fine - just don't have children. If you do, then you should act responsibly as a proper parent. It is a simple choice but a very important one.

I hope the child is found and suffers the minimal psychogical damage - at 3 years old, being taken away like that even if only for a week or two is going to screw her up big time. I'm sure her parents would like to wind the clock back but they can't and they will have the pain of what has happened for the rest of their lives. I wonder if they used to complain about the nanny state telling people how to live their lives? Clearly they did not need any training or guidance. ;)

I agree the parents made a spectacular error of judgement.
One that 99 time out of 100, probably more, they'd have got away with.
But if you saw the footage of the mother yesterday it's pretty obvious she's been destroyed by this. Whether the child is found or not - and, sadly, they're often not in these cases - the mother will wake up every day regretting this.
Not sure it's very helpful to be heaping more guilt on her than she must already be feeling and will feel for the rest of her life.

Hopefully it'll serve as a warning to others.

The killers are the press. The story would have a completely different slant if there were two different aspects to the story.

If they were lower class parents from a council estate or something, they would've been hammered I reckon by the press.

Also, if one the children had woken up and seriously injured, or God forbid, fatally injured themselves, the press would be hammering them for being so neglectful.

The point of hitting out at the Portugese police is so hypocritical too, considering the past/recent history of the police in this country we are in no position to be criticising other police forces abroad.

But that would be logical wouldn't it, heaven forbid.

I have to say I have been quite angry and depressed regarding little Madie, being a practising christian I prayed on my knees with tears in my eys for this child to be returned home safely and unhurt. I am a father and my kids are the world to me. When you become a parent you suffer from paranoia and you watch over them as much as is possible. I'm very angry that two educated people in society who are both professionals in the medical industry failed to realise that leaveing a 3 year old with two twin of a younger age asleep in a dewlling with the parents scoffing themselves 100 yards or 50 yards outside of that dwelling is a complete and untter foolish and selfish action, my arse they were checking on them every 30 mins. However right now I don't the parents need reminding of their cruel and careless action has caused devastion to their lives and their worst nightmare has become reality. I don't blame the portugese police as they are not used to this kind of investiagtion with the worlds media camped in their back yard. I have my theory and that is this was a caluclated abduction from someone who know's the family or new the movements of the family. I don't believe this was an opportunity act because they would not have entered if A there was a baby sitter or B the parents being in the apartment. I look at the couple and question their motive of leaving the children alone which is iresponsable, what if they fell of the bed, or woke up 2 mins after they left the apartment or they are choking or a fire breaks out? I'm sorry to say but I don't see a look of remorse in the husbands face, I'm not at all pointing the finger at him but it just doesn't make sense, it would not surprise me if the someone close to the family is involved. Look at that case where the uncle scum bag raped and killed his own neice, I think he was a builder and brother of the mother, again I'm not saying it's family but it could be someone they know or knew of the coimngs and goings. Anyway I just hope that all our prayers of whatever religons is heard the lord and will bring her back tommorow for her birthday. :crying:

us English are the most sanctimonious people on Earth.

Can I just push in that no-one has actually CONFIRMED she's been abducted... Everyone's just assuming it...

I mean yeah it's more likely she has been abducted, but there's always the slim possibility that she's just "gone missing" and don't forget the Jean Bonet Ramsey story... Never think that the parents are innocent no matter what act they put on...

Just looking at it from other sides of the fence is all...

All lines of enquiries need to be considered.

As for the neglect accusations and the many offering advice to what the parents should have done - I reckon they could do without it. They are going through hell, and the knowledge that if they had not have left their children unattended this may not have happened must only serve to make things worse for them if that is indeed possible.

Apparently though, some people who stayed at the Mark Warner Resort 2 or 3 weeks back said that they had noticed someone lurking in the shadows behaving suspiciously.

What is worth knowing, is did they report this, if so to whom and what action was taken if any to warn holiday-makers?

Have you read todays Sun :doh:

Now they're asking us all to wear yellow for maddie... Plus it's her birthday aswell today...

A week ago they were slagging the parents off every which way but loose...

And what about all the other children who go missing or are abducted or run away from home because of their parents neglect???? Where's the yellow ribbons for them...

I despise the fact that they've turned this situation into a campaign advertisement... *Spits on the media*

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the sun are just so twisted :censored:
i hope they find this girl!!

Will us wearing yellow in England help find a girl in Portugal? :unsure:

If you don't want to, you don't have to.

If others want to show their respect it is up to them.

I can have no idea what it is like for the parents in a situation like this, must be about as awful as it gets.

I generally dislike and don't trust the propoganda machine that is the media at all, that said if I thought a sign of solidarity like this would comfort the loved ones involved I would be happy to.

A bit belated but good to see the footy community doing their part

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1264705,00.html

This story will more than likely fade into the 5th page and beyond sector in the tabloids within the next two weeks if she's not found...

Morbid but true... Happens all the time :coffee:

Are you saying she's dead?

Well there's been no ransom yet if she has been kidnapped...

I'm just being realistic here... Look at the Huntley case... He and his girlfriend lied through the back teeth ON TV and now he's behind bars for life...

I hope not but its looking that way.

Still, no news is good news.......right?

I really despise people like these. How can they take a little girl? What posseses them to do such a thing?

Police are looking for a suspect and have named him as "Robert Murat"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6656451.stm

robert murat!!!!!huh he reminds me of ian huntlley...he used to arse lick to the press and then look what happened!!!he was a murderer
i have same feeling of robert murat as well!!!

Not enough evidence to charge him according to the BBC News at the moment... Statement from that Portugese "detective"...

Seriously? you know him?

I would liek to give my opinion of the situation.

Its the PARENTS fault this has happened. You have a young girl left in her room, in a foreign country, and she goes missing? Its the parents fault!

Would you leave your child under 10 years old or so at home on their own, if your going out in the town one night? No you wouldnt, you would phone a baby sitter or get someone you know to look after the child.

The media again, is on the familys side, Why? They should be blaming her, and not the "Monster" who kidnapped her. Yes its a sick thing to do and I hope this person if caught gets sent down, but its the parents fault this has happened becasue they left their braincells at home.

What do you think they will tell madaline when shes older? "When you were younger we left you in a hotel all on your own sleeping, and you were kidnapped, and a big media frenzy helped us to get you back! You were sleeping so we thought you would be ok!"

I think its wrong theyre getting no blame.

that's really helpful :good:


That's a very narrow-minded simplistic view of a terrible event, it's not your place or any-one elses to apportion blame, as a parent you do everything you can to protect your children but you can't keep your guard up all the time and it's even harder in a place you deem safe and secure. if they are guilty of anything it's naivety and maybe a lack of nous, but in this life bad things do happen to good people and they can't be villified for that.

So...if I go out in a rough area at night wearing bling and I get mugged...it's my fault? Maybe I'm not being very sensible, but it isn't my fault, surely it's the fault of the person who commited the crime. Although I agree I've made myself more likely to be a target.

I think we can all agree that the parents made a mistake. But don't you think they know that? Assuming they're not involved in some sinister way don't you think they wake up every morning thinking "if only". Don't you think they'll spend the rest of their lives blaming themselves for what heppend?

Does it really help to hammer them at a time like this when they're already at their lowest ebb?

Parents were incredibly stupid but i hope its a happy ending for them

Of course in this country it is illegal to leave children under a certain age on their own.

Let's also remember it would seem it is not the first time that they left the kids on their own.

Let us not forget that the real victim in this is Maddie herself. I hope she is well and rturned to safety asap.

The story's already starting to phase out in the tabloids...

That is quite normal when police have a suspect that they are centreing on. They ensure little or no news is leaked to the press so that they can continue to build up a case.

By the sound of it they are closing in.

Seems like they're clutching at straws to me...

They just went for the nearest guy to the holiday camp and plastered it on him...

And some already have him pegged as a murderer, without any evidence!

Ah, the good ole English police.....

Oh, sorry its not them is it?

Um.....

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probably they are acting in a consultancy role :good:

This is no time to be putting on amateur dramatic shows
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