What is it?

Rangers might get done for it

It is chanting based on discrimination along religious lines. In the old firm rivalry, the religious chanting is based on Catholic vs Protestant. The Rangers supporters who are involved in the sectarian chanting are likely to be protestants, and their chants are normally derogatory comments towards the pope and Roman Catholics. Of course, the Celtic-Rangers problem transcends religious dislike, and the Northern Ireland conflict is also involved in the chanting that takes place. Rangers supporters are known to make songs which display hatred towards "fenians", which is the name given to Roman Catholics of Irish descent, who are perceived to support the notion of a 32 county Ireland. Conversely, the Celtic supporters are likely to express their support for the unification of Ireland, and their chants used to involve anti-protestant comments and romantic ballads supporting Irish freedom fighters (or terrorists, depending on your point of view). Having said this, though, Celtic supporters do not partake in this sort of chanting anymore, and incidents are few and far between. Conversely, Rangers still have not eradicated the problem of sectarian and political chanting.

I am no expert on this, so apologies for any mistakes.

"om mani padme filing cabinet" perhaps Cripps?

do they teach it at secretarial college then? sounds good...





:rolleyes: it's strictly SEP now Cripps, not worth bothering about really.

Yeah, the problem has been mostly been eradicated, with plenty of campaigns (the most prominent being the "Nil by Mouth" independent campaign) but some people cannot let go it seems.

So its religious?

Just as i thought.

Religion and football should have nothing to do with each other

Er sectarian like the derigatory word we use for Spuds "rhymes with kids" we could our butts in trouble too with some chants...

slightly different in that many spuds refer to themselves as that

also, to get a bit controversial, there is no way you can call the IRA anything but terrorists - freedom fighters don't blow up pubs full of civilians, nor do they use nail guns on peoples knee caps, nor do they crucify people they believe have committed crimes.

back to the point - am not 100% familiar with the rangers / celtic divide. seem bit odd in that it is almost an english v irish conflict within a scottish city!

UDA of course were saints :blink:

re calling themselves the same thing, I refer the honourable gentleman to the n*gger debate...

devide is religion, protestant catholic alot of irish came over for ship building hence link to stir up the arguement...

I had watched a documentary many years ago about the UDA and the UFF, and some of the volunteers were being interviewed and were asked about what they did during the Troubles. Some of the crimes they were involved in were savage. So it was not all one way during the Troubles. Both Catholic and Protestant paramilitaries committed atrocities in the name of religion.

where did I say they were? :unsure:

both the ira and the protestant/loyalist equivelent did terrible things - however hollywood didn't make films romanticising the loyalists and the original article I responded to discussed a minority of fans who viewed the ira as freedom fighters

also is interesting that during the troubles the ira and uvf (?) held meetings to make sure their respective drug rackets weren't interfering and could benefit one another.

Hmm. I think that's slightly different.
Some black people might use "the n word", but white people wouldn't use it to refer to each other.

Spurs fans who use the y word to describe themselves are mostly not Jewish and ergo I'm not sure you can argue it's a religious slur in this conect.

I personally wouldn't use it, but I'm not convinced it's as offensive in this context as the n word is.

you Nincompoop.

:rolleyes:

Whereas everyone loves Mandela despite the fact that the ANC used to "necklace" people on a regular basis....

And I always thought a necklace was a soapy tit w*nk...

tis before my time

torture is evil and anyone who does it should face justice not praise

no matter who they are I wouldn't praise anyone who tortures someone, civilian or not.

torture is useless for getting information and is an act of evil and aggression rather than justice or even revenge.

Rangers and Celtic are the most vile support in the world for this

Celtic sing songs about "I wish i was in the IRA"
and more stuff like that

Its absolute vile, I mean if you want to joing the IRA go join it, but its not a Football song.

Rangers are possibly the worst for it

Some of there "chants" go like:

"Hello hello, we are the Rangers boys
Hello hello you'l know us by our noise
and if you a f****** b****** surrender or your die

I mean thats sick to the heavens

Also Cripps look up the words of the Sash, its rather nice reading.

Rangers and Celtics fans should be banned from every football match(theyre away fans) as they sing crap like that and put Scottish football on a bad scale.

Its sick.
Thats whats been happening for many years, but the SFA are too scared to hammer them for Sectarian singing.

Also the Rangers fans give the oposition players and fans the sing of Hilter.

Sick.

Secretarian chanting?

Surely it's when the 'Office Workers Union' goes on strike.

:lol:

:lol:

Sectarian chants are no longer a predominant occurance from Celtic and Rangers fans.
It seems Celtic have fully dealt with the problem and while a small minority of Rangers away fans continue to drag the club through the mud, it does not take place at Ibrox and the club and its fans have developed a self-policing method where abusive songs will be drowned out by more suitable ones. Schemes such as "Follow with Pride" have been set up by the club to ensure fans attending games behave in an appropriate manner and along with the threat from Rangers chairman Sir David Murray that away tickets will become witheld from Rangers fans in the future if the trouble continues, this sectarian chanting should be stamped out of the Scottish game on the whole soon enough.

interesting post thanks for the insight :good:

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