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Cripps - February 6, 2008 12:51 PM (GMT)
Apparently the team will be

James

Brown Upson Ferdinand Cole

Bentley Gerrard Hargreaves Young

Cole

Rooney

What do you guys think?

Personally i dont think Bentley should play for England ever again. Brown? WTF? And Young isnt all that either.

And Big Phil will be playing :scarf: Hope he takes Shrek out.

Is Djourou in the Swiss squad?

Coney - February 6, 2008 01:01 PM (GMT)
What we don't know is how much of this he already thinks is likely to be his final choice and how much of it is a 'let's see what they can do' thing. The other factor is how they play together as a team which our last two managers seemed to overlook.

Gooner4Life84 - February 6, 2008 01:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Cripps @ Feb 6 2008, 12:51 PM)
Apparently the team will be

James

Brown Upson Ferdinand Cole

Bentley Gerrard Hargreaves Young

Cole

Rooney

What do you guys think?

Personally i dont think Bentley should play for England ever again. Brown? WTF? And Young isnt all that either.

And Big Phil will be playing :scarf: Hope he takes Shrek out.

Is Djourou in the Swiss squad?

Decent team. Lots of pace. Although i would`ve put Richards in place of Upson at centre-back. Capello is right to leave out Owen if that`s the case. His form this season has been poor.

As for you saying Bentley should never play for England again is ridiculous! iYes he pulled himself out of the U-21`s for fitness reasons, but i doubt very much it was on purpose. After all, it was only that game that we know about. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt. Surely if he played whilst not being 100% and played poorly, alot of people would be saying.. "If you weren`t 100% fit, why didn`t you pull out the squad?". He`s had a very good season, and on current form is the best player for the right midfield at the moment. Good at set-pieces, good technique, can cross well, pace, creativity and can score a decent amount of goals for a winger. And still very young at 23 years old. Him never playing for England again would surely badly limit the options for the right wing.

Djourou`s not in the Swiss squad.


Cripps - February 6, 2008 01:20 PM (GMT)
He didnt just pull himself out of one Under 21 game, he pulled himself out of a whole tournament just so he could go on holiday. He also did it when he was named in the squad and the deadline had passed meaning we couldnt call in a replacement. The guy is a joke and a twat as well and lets face it, hes not that good.

Apparently he wanted to be fit and ready for Euro 2008. We didnt qualify. I bet he regrets missing the tournament last summer now.


Mr. Miyagis Bonsai Tree - February 6, 2008 01:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Cripps @ Feb 6 2008, 12:51 PM)
James

Brown Upson Ferdinand Cole

Bentley Gerrard Hargreaves Young

Cole

Rooney

I can't be doing with Brown at RB... He's such an ordinary player, he has nothing to offer attacking wise and without Ferdinand/Vidic covering him he's looked average at best...

Rooney playing upfront on his own is a bad choice too, I remember on the occasions he has played there he's been frustrated time and again and usually ends up getting yellow/red carded or a second striker is put on... If Joe Cole stays up high enough with Rooney then it might be workable but really Rooney's the kind of player who comes deep ( ## ) into midfield to get the ball and look to start an attack with the wingers/strikers...

Young and Bentley have plenty of pace and can make runs into the box, which is good considering there's no target man in the box ala Peter Crouch.

Everything else seems ok I guess... Bit suspect about Ferdinand/Upson playing together but it'll have to do... I still think we'll win this game, but it'll be an organized attack/defend game where we'll be looking to work the ball in the box as the only decent free-kick specialist is either Gerrard or possibly Hargreaves.

Cripps - February 6, 2008 01:27 PM (GMT)
Agreed about Brown.

Hopefully this isnt the official team and Richards gets in.

Coney - February 6, 2008 01:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Cripps @ Feb 6 2008, 01:27 PM)
Agreed about Brown.

Hopefully this isnt the official team and Richards gets in.

Maybe he is just trying Brown out with the rest of the team - certainly I would prefer Richards by a mile.

Rooney up front 'on his own' is perhaps an exaggeration by the press - I hope so. Having Joe Cole just behind his shoulder makes it more like a 4-4-2 than a 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 as some like to put it. As long as Cole and Rooney are broadly ahead of the midfield, it could be a working setup.

Cripps - February 6, 2008 01:45 PM (GMT)
Joe Coles best position in his own words is just behind the striker.

I dont think hes ever played there for ENgland, well not from the start of a game.

It'll be interesting to see how he does.

Shame il miss the first half but needs must.

Do you think Capello is the kind of guy who makes many changes after half time?

Coca Kolo - February 6, 2008 01:57 PM (GMT)
lets hope Senderos takes out Rooney and Cole oh and Gerrard too. :coffee:

It's Up For Grabs Now - February 6, 2008 02:20 PM (GMT)
Richards is Englands best right back so im suprised he isnt in. Wes Brown is a decent solid right back in all fairness, nothing special though..

Bentley...dont get me started on that dispicable c@nt <_<

Coney - February 6, 2008 02:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Cripps @ Feb 6 2008, 01:45 PM)
Joe Coles best position in his own words is just behind the striker.

I dont think hes ever played there for ENgland, well not from the start of a game.

It'll be interesting to see how he does.

Shame il miss the first half but needs must.

Do you think Capello is the kind of guy who makes many changes after half time?

Cole is a bit too selfish to be a midfielder on the left - up front as part of a strike team may suit England better - I have no problem if a striker with the ball keeps wanting to put it in the net.

I would not be surprised if Capello does a set of changes at half time - treat it as 2 45-minute games and try two teams out. He has indicated that he has not settled even on the captaincy yet so the more he can get out of the friendlies the better.

I'd regard the first couple of matches as experiments which may or may not work. What is important is how he reacts to what he sees and I am more confident he will make decent decisions compared to the previous 2 wastes of space we have seen in the England Manager role.

Cripps - February 6, 2008 02:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (It's Up For Grabs Now @ Feb 6 2008, 02:20 PM)
Bentley...dont get me started on that dispicable c@nt <_<

There is hope for you after all :hug:

Alias - February 6, 2008 03:09 PM (GMT)
Matthew Upson... :lol:

Cripps - February 6, 2008 03:14 PM (GMT)
Hes had a good season for West Ham

Whats so funny?

Alias - February 6, 2008 03:16 PM (GMT)
The fact there are many other better centre backs to choose from.

For someone who thinks Wes Brown is so bad to think Upson should play is just bizarre.

Cripps - February 6, 2008 03:19 PM (GMT)
Having watched quite a bit of both, Brown isnt as good as Upson

KaiserKolo - February 6, 2008 04:59 PM (GMT)
Rooney and Joe Cole up front :lol: That may not work IMO. Rooney has shown he can't lead the line on his own, WC 2006 anyone? Joe Cole, well everyone raves about his technical ability and latin spirit but a few step overs doesn't prove this, neither does a rare volley against Sweden. He has scored a few goals for the chavs but don't think he is a good enough partner, although its his favoured role. But he hasn't played there for years, and his finishin ability may come under scrutiny.

Owen doesn't have much except finishing ability but he relied on his pace to get into those areas previously and plays in a side unable to create chances so he is probably rusty. We'll see.

I'll be cheering on Phillip to score. This match is not at all important and i hope he doesn't get injured. he is switzerland captain now! We have quite a few captains in our squad now...

Cripps - February 6, 2008 06:28 PM (GMT)
Breaking news on SSN

That is the team

Gooner4Life84 - February 6, 2008 06:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ Feb 6 2008, 04:59 PM)
Rooney and Joe Cole up front :lol: That may not work IMO. Rooney has shown he can't lead the line on his own, WC 2006 anyone? Joe Cole, well everyone raves about his technical ability and latin spirit but a few step overs doesn't prove this, neither does a rare volley against Sweden. He has scored a few goals for the chavs but don't think he is a good enough partner, although its his favoured role. But he hasn't played there for years, and his finishin ability may come under scrutiny.

Owen doesn't have much except finishing ability but he relied on his pace to get into those areas previously and plays in a side unable to create chances so he is probably rusty. We'll see.

I'll be cheering on Phillip to score. This match is not at all important and i hope he doesn't get injured. he is switzerland captain now! We have quite a few captains in our squad now...

:sulk: You out of your mind! One of the most natural English goalscorers over the past decade! His goals record at club and international level prove that. Though it`s true he has lost alot of pace due to his many injuries over the years, and isn`t as quick as what he was.

At the moment he`s just in poor form. But what you would have learnt is.. Write Michael Owen off at your peril. Time and time again, people have written him off when he`s had goal droughts, but when there`s a big match in particular, he more often than not scores. All it will take is for him to get a goal, then the goals will flow and he`ll get more confident. Owen relies heavily on goals giving him confidence.

Da Silva Lining - February 6, 2008 07:00 PM (GMT)
Jenas and Barry start.

Cripps - February 6, 2008 07:08 PM (GMT)
Jenas over Hargreaves?

Barry i can agree with

DaSilvasGold - February 6, 2008 07:09 PM (GMT)
come on england

:)

feels weird wanting england to win a friendly again (coz i wanted mclown out previously)

come on england, and capello!

KaiserKolo - February 6, 2008 07:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gooner4Life84 @ Feb 6 2008, 06:41 PM)
QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ Feb 6 2008, 04:59 PM)
Rooney and Joe Cole up front :lol: That may not work IMO. Rooney has shown he can't lead the line on his own, WC 2006 anyone? Joe Cole, well everyone raves about his technical ability and latin spirit but a few step overs doesn't prove this, neither does a rare volley against Sweden. He has scored a few goals for the chavs but don't think he is a good enough partner, although its his favoured role. But he hasn't played there for years, and his finishin ability may come under scrutiny.

Owen doesn't have much except finishing ability but he relied on his pace to get into those areas previously and plays in a side unable to create chances so he is probably rusty. We'll see.

I'll be cheering on Phillip to score. This match is not at all important and i hope he doesn't get injured. he is switzerland captain now! We have quite a few captains in our squad now...

:sulk: You out of your mind! One of the most natural English goalscorers over the past decade! His goals record at club and international level prove that. Though it`s true he has lost alot of pace due to his many injuries over the years, and isn`t as quick as what he was.

At the moment he`s just in poor form. But what you would have learnt is.. Write Michael Owen off at your peril. Time and time again, people have written him off when he`s had goal droughts, but when there`s a big match in particular, he more often than not scores. All it will take is for him to get a goal, then the goals will flow and he`ll get more confident. Owen relies heavily on goals giving him confidence.

QUOTE
One of the most natural English goalscorers over the past decade! His goals record at club and international level prove that.


I said he had finishing ability, just because i didn't use adjectives doesn't mean i don't rate this aspect of his game.

QUOTE
Though it`s true he has lost alot of pace due to his many injuries over the years, and isn`t as quick as what he was.


I did say he was rusty...and so you agree here too. I said "he relied on his pace to get into those areas previously and plays in a side unable to create chances so he is probably rusty."

QUOTE
Write Michael Owen off at your peril. Time and time again, people have written him off when he`s had goal droughts, but when there`s a big match in particular, he more often than not scores. All it will take is for him to get a goal, then the goals will flow and he`ll get more confident. Owen relies heavily on goals giving him confidence.


Never wrote him off, just saying we need a player with more attributes than finishing to play up front. Take Eduardo for instance, he is arguably better at finishing, has much better technique, and also versatility. I know he can score, but the lack of pace diminishes his game considerably. And he is rusty because he has had no chances being created for him. 3 goals in 15 appearances is poor. Therefore he needs games in a side that can create chances. Now we will not see Capello's England and whether he will even feature, because they have the players to create chances for him but not yet the team. And on early impressions Keegan's Newcastle can't create anything for him. Goals will only flow with chances. Once chances come he will eventually take them. It will take time for him to come back to good form.

He may have to reinvent his game, improving other sides of his game, having lost some pace...

*mellowfellow impression on*

:beer:

*mellowfellow impression off*


Est. 1886 - February 6, 2008 08:02 PM (GMT)
Has anyone else noticed how a 'minutes silence' never lasts for a minute and more like 30 seconds?

Coney - February 6, 2008 08:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Est. 1886 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:02 PM)
Has anyone else noticed how a 'minutes silence' never lasts for a minute and more like 30 seconds?

Yeah - I thought they blew early on that one.

Grimandi's Perm - February 6, 2008 08:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Est. 1886 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:02 PM)
Has anyone else noticed how a 'minutes silence' never lasts for a minute and more like 30 seconds?

And Rooney didn't sing the anthem.

I guess no one wrote down the words for him... :rolleyes:

Coney - February 6, 2008 08:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Grimandi's Perm @ Feb 6 2008, 08:04 PM)
QUOTE (Est. 1886 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:02 PM)
Has anyone else noticed how a 'minutes silence' never lasts for a minute and more like 30 seconds?

And Rooney didn't sing the anthem.

I guess no one wrote down the words for him... :rolleyes:

:lol: Mind you, I don't blame him - the words are shite.

Grimandi's Perm - February 6, 2008 08:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Coney @ Feb 6 2008, 08:05 PM)
QUOTE (Grimandi's Perm @ Feb 6 2008, 08:04 PM)
QUOTE (Est. 1886 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:02 PM)
Has anyone else noticed how a 'minutes silence' never lasts for a minute and more like 30 seconds?

And Rooney didn't sing the anthem.

I guess no one wrote down the words for him... :rolleyes:

:lol: Mind you, I don't blame him - the words are shite.

It is a dire dirge...

Est. 1886 - February 6, 2008 08:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Coney @ Feb 6 2008, 08:05 PM)
QUOTE (Grimandi's Perm @ Feb 6 2008, 08:04 PM)
QUOTE (Est. 1886 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:02 PM)
Has anyone else noticed how a 'minutes silence' never lasts for a minute and more like 30 seconds?

And Rooney didn't sing the anthem.

I guess no one wrote down the words for him... :rolleyes:

:lol: Mind you, I don't blame him - the words are shite.

He prefers the Ren 'n' Stimpy version

Coney - February 6, 2008 08:07 PM (GMT)
Bring back McLaren - what's going on? :yikes:

Est. 1886 - February 6, 2008 08:08 PM (GMT)
Swiss lol

Coney - February 6, 2008 08:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Est. 1886 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:08 PM)
Swiss lol

They're on a roll. :getcoat:

DaSilvasGold - February 6, 2008 08:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Coney @ Feb 6 2008, 08:09 PM)
QUOTE (Est. 1886 @ Feb 6 2008, 08:08 PM)
Swiss lol

They're on a roll. :getcoat:

keep your coat

:haha: :haha:

mellowfellow - February 6, 2008 08:16 PM (GMT)
same old england.....they have no one upfront to hoof it to so they pass the ball to death in their own half.........yawn

Cripps - February 6, 2008 08:17 PM (GMT)
Not watching.

Have i missed anything?

Coney - February 6, 2008 08:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Cripps @ Feb 6 2008, 08:17 PM)
Not watching.

Have i missed anything?

The ball boys have impressed getting the ball back into play quite quickly. That's about it really. ;)

DaSilvasGold - February 6, 2008 08:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Coney @ Feb 6 2008, 08:19 PM)
QUOTE (Cripps @ Feb 6 2008, 08:17 PM)
Not watching.

Have i missed anything?

The ball boys have impressed getting the ball back into play quite quickly. That's about it really. ;)

:goodpost:

Coney - February 6, 2008 08:28 PM (GMT)
I'm slowly losing the will to live, never mind watch the match. :tumbleweed:

DaSilvasGold - February 6, 2008 08:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Coney @ Feb 6 2008, 08:28 PM)
I'm slowly losing the will to live, never mind watch the match. :tumbleweed:

atleast we not losing..

Gunner_fan_4_life - February 6, 2008 08:29 PM (GMT)
Senderos creates some danger, almost scored.




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