Title: Real now after Hleb
TheJoyOfCesc - May 21, 2008 09:26 AM (GMT)
I posted this in the Nasri thread but I want to see what people actually think.
Skysports| QUOTE |
Real to enter Hleb hunt Spanish champions to move for Gunner
Hleb: In-demand
Real Madrid have reportedly joined the race to prise Alexander Helb away from Arsenal after making tentative contact with the player's represenatives.
The Spanish giants are set to compete with Internazionale and Barcelona, who have already expressed their interest following Hleb's reported willingness to quit Emirates Stadium.
Hleb is thought to be prepared to break his contract with Arsenal and buy out his current deal in order to enjoy one last major pay day at one of the continent's elite.
According to a report in Spain, the Gunners are prepared to offer the 27-year-old €75,000-a-week (£60,000) to try and persuade him to stay, but that would be eclipsed by the €125,000-a-week (£100,000) on offer from Inter.
Madrid are also prepared to meet that amount after sporting director Predrag Mijatovic joined the Hleb fan club and is keen to see him bolster the right side of Madrid's midfield.
According to AS, if Hleb were to leave then that would cause Cesc Fabregas to become concerned about the direction that the north London outfit are heading in.
Along with Mathieu Flamini, the Catalan midfielder and Hleb were close friends and if it appears that Arsenal are taking a step back then he could well consider his own future at Emirates Stadium next year.
Barcelona have also made their intentions clear by informing the player's agents that they would meet his demands as the club look to continue their summer rebuilding programme.
Camp Nou technical secretary, Txiki Begiristain, has been tracking Hleb for some time and the Catalan press believe that an official approach will be made as soon as Inter make their move. |
Now Hleb's agent said he wouldn't break his contract, and I think the bit about Cesc is rubbish. Realistically how much could we get for a player with 2 years left on his contract with 3 massive clubs interested? Saying that, expect Real players to become mouthpieces for the coach/president saying buy out your contract if they are interested. dry.gif
TheJoyOfCesc - May 21, 2008 09:26 AM (GMT)
Mods this was meant to go in the rumours section. Please move it if you feel the need.
McNamara That Ghost... - May 21, 2008 09:30 AM (GMT)
Fabbygas_4 - May 21, 2008 09:31 AM (GMT)
Thats all we need now... Great...
The Emirates Gallastico - May 21, 2008 10:13 AM (GMT)
If we get Nasri and Ben Arfa and a good offer for Hleb, he can go. :good:
Fabbygas_4 - May 21, 2008 10:15 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Emirates Gallastico @ May 21 2008, 10:13 AM) |
| If we get Nasri and Ben Arfa and a good offer for Hleb, he can go. :good: |
I think Ben Arfa is off to Marseille mate...
hleb_on_left - May 21, 2008 10:24 AM (GMT)
i reckon we will not buy more than one or two midfield players, atm these guys look to be chantome and nasri,
losing hleb would be a significant blow, he was a driving force for us this season, and any replacements would take time to fill in for him, and even then we are still left with the same squad as last season.
flamini - out chantome - in
hleb - out nasri - in
That will actually leave us weaker next year and although nasri is a top prospect, hleb is an established player for us.
Please wenger dont let hleb go, you didnt see Man U ship out scholes and ronaldo when they brought in nani and anderson so why should we do that with our squad?
TheJoyOfCesc - May 21, 2008 11:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hleb_on_left @ May 21 2008, 10:24 AM) |
i reckon we will not buy more than one or two midfield players, atm these guys look to be chantome and nasri,
losing hleb would be a significant blow, he was a driving force for us this season, and any replacements would take time to fill in for him, and even then we are still left with the same squad as last season.
flamini - out chantome - in
hleb - out nasri - in
That will actually leave us weaker next year and although nasri is a top prospect, hleb is an established player for us.
Please wenger dont let hleb go, you didnt see Man U ship out scholes and ronaldo when they brought in nani and anderson so why should we do that with our squad? |
:goodpost:
Still think it will happen though unfortunately, his head has been turned by the "bigger" clubs. Not much you can do after that. Options on gifted wide players are running out a bit though. if we do get one I think it'll be Krancjar but that doesn't exactly thrill me.
Bignev - May 21, 2008 11:11 AM (GMT)
I say if we get a decent offer get rid of him. He obviously doesn't want to stay and if we're honest for all his skill he doesn't offer much in terms of assists or goals.
Nasri may not be as good now but he is 6 years younger and at his age can still add elements to his game. TBH I'm sure once Nasri settles he can beat 6 goals and maybe 10 assists over 3 seasons!
dazthegooner - May 21, 2008 11:14 AM (GMT)
I want Hleb as well :threaten:
Jens' Face - May 21, 2008 11:41 AM (GMT)
Arsene has said that no one under contract is leaving Arsenal.
I don't really believe him, but that's the slim thread of hope I'm gonna hold on to for a while longer.
dazthegooner - May 21, 2008 11:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Jens' Face @ May 21 2008, 12:41 PM) |
Arsene has said that no one under contract is leaving Arsenal.
I don't really believe him, but that's the slim thread of hope I'm gonna hold on to for a while longer. |
Well if the reports are correct the fee if agreed would be around the £20m mark (though that could actually be 20m € which is more likely)
hleb_on_left - May 21, 2008 11:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Bignev @ May 21 2008, 11:11 AM) |
I say if we get a decent offer get rid of him. He obviously doesn't want to stay and if we're honest for all his skill he doesn't offer much in terms of assists or goals.
Nasri may not be as good now but he is 6 years younger and at his age can still add elements to his game. TBH I'm sure once Nasri settles he can beat 6 goals and maybe 10 assists over 3 seasons! |
do we really want another season of players adapting? players like fabs and ade will be off next year if we dont win a anything yet again
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 12:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hleb_on_left @ May 21 2008, 12:58 PM) |
| QUOTE (Bignev @ May 21 2008, 11:11 AM) | I say if we get a decent offer get rid of him. He obviously doesn't want to stay and if we're honest for all his skill he doesn't offer much in terms of assists or goals.
Nasri may not be as good now but he is 6 years younger and at his age can still add elements to his game. TBH I'm sure once Nasri settles he can beat 6 goals and maybe 10 assists over 3 seasons! |
do we really want another season of players adapting? players like fabs and ade will be off next year if we dont win a anything yet again
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Good players don't take too long to adapt, it's just players who aren't that good tend to take a long time.
Moreover French players tend to make a smooth transition.
dazthegooner - May 21, 2008 12:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 01:05 PM) |
| QUOTE (hleb_on_left @ May 21 2008, 12:58 PM) | | QUOTE (Bignev @ May 21 2008, 11:11 AM) | I say if we get a decent offer get rid of him. He obviously doesn't want to stay and if we're honest for all his skill he doesn't offer much in terms of assists or goals.
Nasri may not be as good now but he is 6 years younger and at his age can still add elements to his game. TBH I'm sure once Nasri settles he can beat 6 goals and maybe 10 assists over 3 seasons! |
do we really want another season of players adapting? players like fabs and ade will be off next year if we dont win a anything yet again
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Good players don't take too long to adapt, it's just players who aren't that good tend to take a long time.
Moreover French players tend to make a smooth transition.
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Well it does help with the French players that we alrwady have and he's probably played along side the likes of Cliche and Traore so would possibly fit in quicker.
Jens' Face - May 21, 2008 12:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 07:05 AM) |
| QUOTE (hleb_on_left @ May 21 2008, 12:58 PM) | | QUOTE (Bignev @ May 21 2008, 11:11 AM) | I say if we get a decent offer get rid of him. He obviously doesn't want to stay and if we're honest for all his skill he doesn't offer much in terms of assists or goals.
Nasri may not be as good now but he is 6 years younger and at his age can still add elements to his game. TBH I'm sure once Nasri settles he can beat 6 goals and maybe 10 assists over 3 seasons! |
do we really want another season of players adapting? players like fabs and ade will be off next year if we dont win a anything yet again
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Good players don't take too long to adapt, it's just players who aren't that good tend to take a long time.
Moreover French players tend to make a smooth transition.
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zimm, I really think that Nasri will need some time. Don't get your hopes too high up there.
Cripps - May 21, 2008 12:45 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Jens' Face @ May 21 2008, 01:44 PM) |
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 07:05 AM) | | QUOTE (hleb_on_left @ May 21 2008, 12:58 PM) | | QUOTE (Bignev @ May 21 2008, 11:11 AM) | I say if we get a decent offer get rid of him. He obviously doesn't want to stay and if we're honest for all his skill he doesn't offer much in terms of assists or goals.
Nasri may not be as good now but he is 6 years younger and at his age can still add elements to his game. TBH I'm sure once Nasri settles he can beat 6 goals and maybe 10 assists over 3 seasons! |
do we really want another season of players adapting? players like fabs and ade will be off next year if we dont win a anything yet again
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Good players don't take too long to adapt, it's just players who aren't that good tend to take a long time.
Moreover French players tend to make a smooth transition.
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zimm, I really think that Nasri will need some time. Don't get your hopes too high up there.
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You do realise who youre talking to dont you?
Synergetic - May 21, 2008 12:56 PM (GMT)
Don't blame them. It's no surprise to see Hleb linked with the top clubs in Europe. I just hope he turns them down.
dazthegooner - May 21, 2008 01:04 PM (GMT)
Well on the Newsnew web-site there are a few links with Robinho maybe there could be a Hleb plus cash bid
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/277040287?-11203
Bignev - May 21, 2008 01:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hleb_on_left @ May 21 2008, 11:58 AM) |
| QUOTE (Bignev @ May 21 2008, 11:11 AM) | I say if we get a decent offer get rid of him. He obviously doesn't want to stay and if we're honest for all his skill he doesn't offer much in terms of assists or goals.
Nasri may not be as good now but he is 6 years younger and at his age can still add elements to his game. TBH I'm sure once Nasri settles he can beat 6 goals and maybe 10 assists over 3 seasons! |
do we really want another season of players adapting? players like fabs and ade will be off next year if we dont win a anything yet again
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My point was an adapting player will in all likelihood offer us more than Hleb anyway.
Hleb has been with us three season and has scored 6 goals and got about as many assists. That is simply not good enough for a wide player. Hleb is also 27 which means this is the peak of his career.
If there are clubs out there that are dazzled his skills then sell him now before they realise that he has no end product!
Synergetic - May 21, 2008 01:17 PM (GMT)
Doubt they'd be willing to give up Robinho, tbh.
dazthegooner - May 21, 2008 01:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Synergetic @ May 21 2008, 02:17 PM) |
| Doubt they'd be willing to give up Robinho, tbh.
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I heard in the last game of the season or the championship celebration he was booed by the Madrid fans.
Cripps - May 21, 2008 01:26 PM (GMT)
dazthegooner - May 21, 2008 01:29 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Cripps @ May 21 2008, 02:26 PM) |
| He wasnt |
Really were you there what was it like? ;)
As I said read/heard it somewhere so looks like the source was wrong :doh:
Coca Kolo - May 21, 2008 02:12 PM (GMT)
Flog him to the highest bidder.
Or alternatively give Real Hleb and 10 million for Robinho..
bergstar - May 21, 2008 03:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Fabbygas_4 @ May 21 2008, 11:15 AM) |
| QUOTE (The Emirates Gallastico @ May 21 2008, 10:13 AM) | | If we get Nasri and Ben Arfa and a good offer for Hleb, he can go. :good: |
I think Ben Arfa is off to Marseille mate...
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Why would he leave a club thats won the domestic trophy for 7 years, and join Marseilles ? does not make sense whatsoever.
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 04:03 PM (GMT)
It's all bullsh*t guys, all of it, we're not signing anyone decent so put it out of your head.....concentrate on finding players noone's ever heard of and you'll be closer to the truth.
Oh how I miss the old days when we'd go after players of the elk of Pires and actually get them...
Coca Kolo - May 21, 2008 04:05 PM (GMT)
Jens' Face - May 21, 2008 04:12 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 11:03 AM) |
| Oh how I miss the old days when we'd go after players of the elk of Pires and actually get them... |
:unsure: Pires?
wouldn't want to go up against for a 50-50 header against him!
(psst, zimm ... it's "ilk" :good:)
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 04:17 PM (GMT)
Sorry misspelling (I know it's ilk) :lol:
Although I think we could use him for a bit of a physical presence.
Jens' Face - May 21, 2008 04:20 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 11:17 AM) |
| Sorry misspelling (I know it's ilk) :lol: |
fair enough ... you're next challenge is to make some kind of sense of what I wrote above ....
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| wouldn't want to go up against for a 50-50 header against him! |
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 04:22 PM (GMT)
:lol: it's so easily done on here, the excitement of replying to a post only leads to ignoring the art of proof reading!
I often go backwards and forwards editing my posts rather than checking them in the 1st place :doh:
KaiserKolo - May 21, 2008 04:31 PM (GMT)
Wasn't the Pires signing long and protracted too, as Real were interested too?
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 04:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ May 21 2008, 05:31 PM) |
| Wasn't the Pires signing long and protracted too, as Real were interested too? |
Yes it was, but the point is he chose us and we signed him.
Nowadays if big clubs are interested we can more than likely shut the door on the possibility of a deal.
KaiserKolo - May 21, 2008 04:34 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 04:33 PM) |
| QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ May 21 2008, 05:31 PM) | | Wasn't the Pires signing long and protracted too, as Real were interested too? |
Yes it was, but the point is he chose us and we signed him.
Nowadays if big clubs are interested we can more than likely shut the door on the possibility of a deal.
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Well, Sagna seemed to take ages to sign, at one point their president said there was only a 40% chance he'd leave, but eventually he came. Same could happen here.
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 04:37 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ May 21 2008, 05:34 PM) |
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 04:33 PM) | | QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ May 21 2008, 05:31 PM) | | Wasn't the Pires signing long and protracted too, as Real were interested too? |
Yes it was, but the point is he chose us and we signed him.
Nowadays if big clubs are interested we can more than likely shut the door on the possibility of a deal.
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Well, Sagna seemed to take ages to sign, at one point their president said there was only a 40% chance he'd leave, but eventually he came. Same could happen here.
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Yeah but with Sagna no other big club was interested....let's face it if teams like Real, Barca, Man U, Chelsea, Milan, Juve are interested he won't be signing for us.
I don't think we have the same pull we had a few years back, lack of trophies, lack of signings and the loss of big players, together with our unwillingness to pay decent wages will put a lot of players off.
KaiserKolo - May 21, 2008 04:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 04:37 PM) |
| QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ May 21 2008, 05:34 PM) | | QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 04:33 PM) | | QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ May 21 2008, 05:31 PM) | | Wasn't the Pires signing long and protracted too, as Real were interested too? |
Yes it was, but the point is he chose us and we signed him.
Nowadays if big clubs are interested we can more than likely shut the door on the possibility of a deal.
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Well, Sagna seemed to take ages to sign, at one point their president said there was only a 40% chance he'd leave, but eventually he came. Same could happen here.
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Yeah but with Sagna no other big club was interested....let's face it if teams like Real, Barca, Man U, Chelsea, Milan, Juve are interested he won't be signing for us.
I don't think we have the same pull we had a few years back, lack of trophies, lack of signings and the loss of big players, together with our unwillingness to pay decent wages will put a lot of players off.
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Pessimist! :sulk:
Our recent 'big' signings: Rosicky, Hleb, Eduardo, Baptista (flopped though), Reyes, Gallas...
All had big reputations and had done something of note before we bought them.
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 04:50 PM (GMT)
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| Our recent 'big' signings: Rosicky, Hleb, Eduardo, Baptista (flopped though), Reyes, Gallas... |
Rosicky - no other big club was after him, I can honestly say I knew nothing about him, he may have had a big reputation but I didn't know him
Hleb - no other big club was after him, I would hardly say he had a big reputation, sure he did OK it the Bundesligue but he was unproven
Eduardo - no other big club was after him, also playing in Croatia I wouldn't say you could put him in the big reputation category
Baptista - no other big club was after him, the 1st time Real were and got him, we signed him after he'd flopped
Reyes - We way overpaid Sevilla took us to the cleaners and again no one else bid for him, granted he had a big reputation.
Gallas - wanted out from Chelsea so it suited everyone as the Chavs wanted Cole
KaiserKolo - May 21, 2008 04:53 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Professor Zim @ May 21 2008, 04:50 PM) |
| QUOTE | | Our recent 'big' signings: Rosicky, Hleb, Eduardo, Baptista (flopped though), Reyes, Gallas... |
Rosicky - no other big club was after him
Hleb - no other big club was after him, I would hardly say he had a big reputation, sure he did OK it the Bundesligue but he was unproven
Eduardo - no other big club was after him, also playing in Croatia I wouldn't say you could put him in the big reputation category
Baptista - no other big club was after him, the 1st time Real were and got him, we signed him after he'd flopped
Reyes - We way overpaid and again no one else bid for him, granted he had a big reputation.
Gallas - wanted out from Chelsea so it suited everyone as the Chavs wanted Cole
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No other club wanting him doesn't make it low profile signing though does it? Not every player signing is a lottery of the billionaires. The players themselves had proven their quality in other leagues and so can be seen as 'big'. Just because they're not well heard of in England doesn't mean it isn't big...
Professor Zim - May 21, 2008 04:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (KaiserKolo @ May 21 2008, 05:53 PM) |
No other club wanting him doesn't make it low profile signing though does it? Not every player signing is a lottery of the billionaires. The players themselves had proven their quality in other leagues and so can be seen as 'big'. Just because they're not well heard of in England doesn't mean it isn't big... |
For me that's not a big signing. A big signing is one when you're familiar with the player and his qualities, other big clubs showing interest further reinforces this.
Signing players noone wants with no real proven pedigree isn't a big signing in my eyes. Bergkamp was a big signing because he had proven himself at the top level, likewise Overmars and Campbell. Pires too was because Real were after him and he had proven to be a top quality player with enormous potential.
Players like Hleb were completely unproven and unknown. When you're really excited about a signing you know it's a big signing...it's been a long time since I have been.