http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm

So it's perfectly natural, then.

Thats almost derogatory..'You like arse sex, then your brain size is gay' :lol:

Well, no more than 'you have something dangling between your legs so you are a guy.'

Well, if you lighten up it is :sulk:

Racist <_<

Waits for the results of the next study, which shows that there are also people with this same brain pattern who are NOT gay...

They are called 'women' ;)

Or possibly 'men' ;)

Although things might eventually prove me wrong, if I were to guess in this area, I'd expect there to be a genetically caused difference. Furthermore, I would suspect that the proportion of the population who are gay is 12.5% rather than the 'about 10%' which is anecdotally quoted. Reason? Some people who have gay feelings are presurised into heterosexual relationships which is why it may be a little down from the 12.5%. I am thinking along the lines of 3 lots of 50-50 genetic chances causing a person to be gay - that would be 1 in 8, or 12.5%. This is, of course, pure speculation but if it is genetic, then there will have to be some combination to make things happen. On the other hand, this could be complete bollocks.

Or lack of them ;)

I'm no brain surgeon (no, really I'm not) but a) who is to say that the make up of the Brain in terms of proportional size etc. are the same from birth? is it not equally possible that nurture has created these tendancies and the brain reflects this?

b) how does having a tendancy towards something make it natural? (ok not brain design related but still)

It is not impossible. However, why, in that case, do people 'become gay' in the same environment as those who do not?

b) if it is indeed genetic then it is also natural, pretty well by definition.

You sound like someone who thinks 'gayness' is learned and (since you are questioning the 'natural' bit) by someone who thinks it is 'unnatural' and 'wrong', as taught in the bible.

Why can't we have a situation where some people are just naturally gay, as some are dark haired or blue eyed. Why do people have to feel so insecure about it?

IMO it's a combination of nature and nurture.

There is clearly an environmental factor but some people would say they 'always' knew they were gay which indicates more nature or, if it is nurture, then it's factors from a very young age which can affect how someone feels later in life.

There is a body of research which suggests that another contributory psychological factor could be the lack of a good father figure.

Clearly? How so?

If someone reading this thread was not gay up to this point, started feeling like some bum fun, this could help prove the clear environmental factor.

Give us a kiss. :mwah:

Hey!

I'm not that easy!

How's about some :rose: :rose: first, and maybe some :nanacheers: to get me in the mood?

How about you go cock yourself? :whistle:

:haha:

I'm not sure about that. Homosexuals come from all backgrounds, some have father figures, some don't.

It's probably independent research from the vatican. :run:

Because statistically there is a higher incidence of homosexual activity in single-sex environments.

As opposed to heterosexual activity in single-sex environments? :blink:

:lol:

:getcoat:

You might have cause and effect the wrong way round.

No, women's prisons are a hotbed of lesbianism.
I guess out of necessity. But still.

I don't feel insecure about it and I'd like to make a few points clear

The Bible tells us that homosexuality is a rejection of nature as created for us by God. However these teachings relate to Christians, the Bible talks about Christians having given up different types of immoral behaviour including drunkeness and active homosexuality but it does not talk about telling non Christians what to do.

As for whether or not it is nature or nurture that doesn't feature in the Bible as it is active homosexuality not tendancies which it speaks about, we all have a choice about what to do and whether or not to be celebate or not.

I think comparing homosexuality to race is like comparing religion to race. People get offended if you point out flaws in their religion as if you are discriminating against them and similarly if you say homosexuality is wrong some accuse you of being a homophobe. Neither of which is true.

So why is homosexuality and gay behaviour immoral? That is a homophobic attitude unless you can give a reason (other than 'it is written').

because it is an exchange of natural relations (i.e. man and woman married) for unnatural relations (not to put to fine a point on it biologically speaking the parts don't match, same sex couples aren't designed to have sex with each other)

and that is a Biblical teaching.

I don't think being born with homosexual tendancies (even if there were irrefutable evidence that that was the case, which there isn't as far as I know) would nullify the above. People being born with a tendancy for an action doesn't make it right to follow, people can be born with all sorts of tendancies, doesn't mean they should follow them or that acting upon them is natural.

Also a point I think you missed in another post is that you seemed to suggest Christians believe we are all born perfect. The truth is we live in a fallen world and so this is not the case. Many children are aborted, still born, born with a disability, born with violent tendancies and so on. This will be the case for as long as the world is as it is (i.e. until Christ comes again).

I really don't see why people feel the need to tell gays whether or not they can live their life as they do. Being gay is involuntary. It isn't some choice people make to piss off the almighty or whatever.

Slightly different subject but I think the meaning is pretty clear:

How on earth can you accept the idea that some god could put this right but doesn't want to at the moment - is prepared to watch suffering and do nothing about it. I cannot imagine that idea - it is like the people of the USSR accepting any shit because comrade Stalin knows the real plan so it is OK.

I'm not trying to tell non Christians how to live their lives nor am I judging anyone. I'm just saying what the Bible says to Christian believers.

Suffering is a difficult subject for all of us, including those of us who are suffering at the moment.

The Bible does have a lot to say about pain and suffering in this world including the words of Jesus.

Suffering is in the world because of Adam's sin according to the Bible. It is also caused today by the sin of man.

Sufferings warn us about hell (Luke 13)

Individual sufferings as well as good times work to the eventual good of every Christian (Romans 8:28)

Sorry these are just headlines, I'm pretty ill at the mo so am heading off to bed and won't be back till tomorrow night as I work for a living ;)

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Its a false stat, I know guys that have been inside or in the army and some of the stories they've told me :yikes: . The guys that do that don't even want to hear that they are gay/bi. As you said, its all about necessity.

I have photos of my younger brother when he was 3 playing with dolls and dressing up in wedding dresses... I mean ffs his childhood idol was Julian Clary :doh:

And surprise surprise a few years ago he "Came out" :rolleyes:

My mum alays wanted a girl and he was the closest thing she's gotten to one...

I quite enjoyed the stories I heard about what goes on in women's prison.

:dance:

:hit:

Well Mrs Jones... you've got a lovely baby boy... oh and look... he's going to be a poof!!

(shouldn't they be using their resource to find cures for deadly diseases etc rather than this?)

'Gay' is a deadly disease.
It's one of the leading causes of bumming.

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