Brooking on Foreigners (Goonersweb)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...icle1446747.ece

Ignore the misleading headline :rolleyes:

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ENGLISH football is on its last legs if the Premier League's big four keep poaching foreign kids.
That is the verdict of Sir Trevor Brooking, the man charged with producing the next David Beckham.

FA director of football development Brooking fears home-grown youngsters are not getting enough chances to shine at the top level.

He admits the FA must work harder with clubs to improve the standard of English kids in the future.

But with Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool adding some of the brightest young talents from around the world to their ranks, he is fighting a losing battle.

Brooking is concerned with the huge amount of foreign players who are now competing with English youngsters at Premier League academies.

And he believes the knock-on effect of developing the overseas talent could have massive consequences on the future of the game.

Brooking said: "75 per cent of players in the scholarship age groups at Liverpool now are from overseas. So if only 25 per cent of them are English then it’s not helpful for us.

"With a lot more overseas youngsters coming into our academies then it is likely they will slowly filter down into the lower leagues when they leave their clubs.

"There is a danger then that we could see a Football League with a large number of foreign players who haven’t quite been good enough for the Premier League.

"They could stop our English youngsters from developing and we could even see fans switching off from the game because there are not enough of their own local players coming through at their clubs.

"So I think that is something we really need to reverse the trend on if we are going to improve our English kids in the long term."

UEFA president Michel Platini wants rules to stop clubs poaching foreign kids who are under 18 years old. Brooking agrees action needs to be taken.

The West Ham legend added: "I have always said that our main aim should be to try raise the quality of the English youngsters so that they are good enough.

"But it would help if a stipulation was put in that you couldn’t take anyone from abroad until they were 18."

Despite his call for new rules to be introduced, Brooking says he can sympathise with Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and other top-flight managers who continue their policy of buying the world’s best young players.

He said: "I can understand that there is no incentive for them to want to bring English youngsters through.

"They’re not going to get a pat on the back for finishing 15th in the league and having an extra few English players.

"They are judged on what they achieve so I can understand them favouring foreign players if they are better.

"I know Arsene Wenger just works on the basis that whoever is good enough for the first team gets the chance to work with the first team.

"Last year it was Mark Randall who stepped up and hopefully this year players like Jack Wilshire and Henri Lansbury will get an opportunity.

"But Arsene is not going to include English youngsters just for the sake of it. They have to be there on merit and I have no problem with that."

It is not just the kids that Brooking believes are being affected by the influx of foreigners on the Premier League.

Striker Peter Crouch left Liverpool for Portsmouth last week after his first-team chances were reduced by the signings of Spanish frontman Fernando Torres and Dutch duo Dirk Kuyt and Ryan Babel.

Brooking urges other England stars to follow Crouch's lead and go in search of regular action if they want to play for their country.

He said: "We cannot argue that it is hugely beneficial to have the top-class foreigners in our leagues.

"But we also have a lot of average players from abroad, who are starting to block the path for our players.

"The problem is, players like Peter Crouch think they are going to be in the first team when they join these big clubs but it doesn’t work out that way.

"I think it can be frustrating for them to train week-in and week-out and not be playing regular matches.

"From an England point of view, it’s nice to see Crouch and Jermain Defoe at Portsmouth because they should get regular first team football there.

"For the last few years, they have been in the England squad but have not been playing regularly, which has meant they have lost a yard or two of match fitness and that has reflected on their game.

"Harry Redknapp has been very useful to us with that by taking two of England’s best strikers to Portsmouth and let’s hope they do well there next year."

Always got time for Sir Trev. :good:

TBH I agree with this whole cap on foreign players, because if I were supporting another team I'd probably agree with the idea that foreigners in this league mean English players are given less of a chance :good:

So you'd be happy to see the quality of football suffer cos teams have to field mediocre English players rather than Foreigners who might be better?

QUOTE (Cripps @ Jul 21 2008, 01:39 AM)

So you'd be happy to see the quality of football suffer cos teams have to field mediocre English players rather than Foreigners who might be better?

Yes because as I said I'd be supporting another team who relies on English players :tumbleweed:

I doubt there's anything that can be done about it anyway because the EU rules would probably prohibit it, except for players outside of the EU obviously e.g. Brazil, Argentina etc :coffee:

Meh, Brooking should be looking in house as opposed to EPL teams, it's not AWs' responsibility to supply the England team with players :sleep:

this from teh man who was in favour of closing the academy at lilleshaw :rolleyes:

Great, so let's have a second rate league aswell as a second rate national side.

It's got zero to do with the foreigners in our league and everything to do with the fundamentals of backward coaching in schools and academies.

It's all to do with the lack of facilities at grass roots level and the qaulity of coaches etc. in other countries talented players are picked up very young and put into training camps and academys with very high standards. Players are nutured.

Where's here I don't think we put a franction of the investment that other countries do and that goes for all sport IMO.

English kids are far too interested in playing their playstations, going out, drinking, harassing women etc rather than put in the work to play football.

Theres a guy on GW who is a fine example of this

QUOTE (Cripps @ Jul 21 2008, 11:36 AM)

English kids are far too interested in playing their playstations, going out, drinking, harassing women etc rather than put in the work to play football.

Theres a guy on GW who is a fine example of this

Going out drinking and harrassing women comes when you've made it as a football player.

:haha:

QUOTE (Cripps @ Jul 21 2008, 10:36 AM)

English kids are far too interested in playing their playstations, going out, drinking, harassing women etc rather than put in the work to play football.

Theres a guy on GW who is a fine example of this

:blink:

who?

Me :ilt:

QUOTE (Cripps @ Jul 21 2008, 11:36 AM)

English kids are far too interested in playing their playstations, going out, drinking, harassing women etc rather than put in the work to play football.

Theres a guy on GW who is a fine example of this

Name please

QUOTE (Cripps @ Jul 21 2008, 04:39 PM)

Me :ilt:

I know that, but who is this poster?

QUOTE (Captain Malcolm Reynolds™ @ Jul 21 2008, 11:13 AM)

Great, so let's have a second rate league aswell as a second rate national side.

It's got zero to do with the foreigners in our league and everything to do with the fundamentals of backward coaching in schools and academies.

To be fair to Sir Trev he does seem to be the only one at the FA interested in sorting out the crappy coaching of kids in this country. He was the one inside the FA pushing for them to finally pull their finger out and finish Burton and he's also been the driving force behind getting kids football played on smaller pitches with smaller goals.

working on the basis that the better player plays and not on passport is the right way, what we have to do is sort out the FA (tough ask) and actually create an atmosphere where english players are prepared to work hard to play ie walcott

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Brooking said: "75 per cent of players in the scholarship age groups at Liverpool now are from overseas. So if only 25 per cent of them are English then it’s not helpful for us.

"overseas"? So according to him, there are no Scots or Welshmen? It's almost as if he is falling into the usual trap of not understanding the difference between England and Britain.

I can totally understand where he is coming from.

La la land?

Looking at it objectively, I can see that the problem with international players coming here to be in the EPL is that alot of them are very average players e.g. Alot of Fulham players and over lower-tier players that are cheaper because they're from outside of the UK... That's where the problem is, average players demanding astronomical salaries...

At Arsenal there's only a few really average players at the club but the majority are International starters and are worthy of the pay grade... English players are just far too expensive and high risk to take a gamble on, it's not worth it.

Our youth academy IS bringing up young ENGLISH kids to move them up the tier and school them in the art of "WengerBall", that's the best way to go IMO... You can't teach an old dog new tricks, so buy a young one and teach him everything you know.

I think that's possibly AW's thinking in some way... Hence why he doesn't favour buying over-30 players :good:

Hope that makes sense :coffee:

You know what I began writing an answer as to why Brookings right butthere's just so much to write on this topic about foreigners etc I couldn't really be arsed :lol:

I try not to use the term "Foreigner" wherever possible... It's getting to be a derogatory term, particularly in football... It's just pure Xenophobia IMO and they (The Anti-"Foreigners") should just wise up and realize that England have done f-all since '66, at least 20 years before a "foreigner" was even dreaming of coming here...

:coffee:

QUOTE (In Lehmanns Terms @ Jul 21 2008, 11:57 PM)

I try not to use the term "Foreigner" wherever possible... It's getting to be a derogatory term, particularly in football... It's just pure Xenophobia IMO and they (The Anti-"Foreigners") should just wise up and realize that England have done f-all since '66, at least 20 years before a "foreigner" was even dreaming of coming here...

:coffee:

Right, but also we actually did have a lot of foreigners in the top flight even in 1966. Our double-winning 1971 side had a number of foreigners in it - we even had a foreign captain, Frank McLintock. No-one complained then but that might be because they were British. No-one suggested that they were stopping English players getting into the game. But as soon as the non-English are French, Spanish or whatever, people start using it as an excuse for England failing to win a trophy since 1966.

At the end of the day, foreigners have been nothing but good for the English game.

QUOTE (Coney @ Jul 22 2008, 12:21 AM)

QUOTE (In Lehmanns Terms @ Jul 21 2008, 11:57 PM)

I try not to use the term "Foreigner" wherever possible... It's getting to be a derogatory term, particularly in football... It's just pure Xenophobia IMO and they (The Anti-"Foreigners") should just wise up and realize that England have done f-all since '66, at least 20 years before a "foreigner" was even dreaming of coming here...

:coffee:

Right, but also we actually did have a lot of foreigners in the top flight even in 1966. Our double-winning 1971 side had a number of foreigners in it - we even had a foreign captain, Frank McLintock. No-one complained then but that might be because they were British. No-one suggested that they were stopping English players getting into the game. But as soon as the non-English are French, Spanish or whatever, people start using it as an excuse for England failing to win a trophy since 1966.

When I hear "Foreigner" I mean someone OUTSIDE of the UK...

I know that Ireland, NI, Scotland, Wales etc THINK they're seperate countries but they're not really, it's just a way to shut up the feckless, the feral and the fecking whingers :coffee:

GP... I agree, look at what happened when (I think) Hungary whooped England before '66, because of that, England changed their whole style and it shaped the way English football played for decades...

"Foreigners" are (In some cases) the best thing that's happened to football, it's made it a TRULY Global sport, known throughout the entire world and is watched by several billion people :good:

When we talk about the benefits to the National side, we HAVE to assume anyone who is not ENGLISH to be foreign.

The Scotch are no more eligible then the French.