Title: Pires The Legend
Ach - March 22, 2009 01:20 AM (GMT)
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ROBERT PIRES is out for Euro revenge after claiming boss Arsene Wenger ‘killed’ him at the end of his Arsenal career.
Former Gunner Pires is still haunted by the memory of being subbed just 18 minutes into the 2006 Champions League final in Paris.
Midfielder Pires was dragged off after keeper Jens Lehmann had been red-carded for bringing down Barcelona’s Samuel Eto’o.
Pires has still not forgiven Wenger and said: “My biggest disappointment was playing only 18 minutes in the Champions League final. Wenger killed me when he took me off.
“For that reason, I could not stay at Arsenal and I moved to Villarreal. The final was played in Paris. All my family were there and I really suffered.”
Pires, 35, will meet Wenger when Spanish side Villarreal take on the Gunners in the quarter-finals of this season’s competition.
And the Frenchman is up for it. He added: “Arsenal lack English players at the moment. That ingredient is very important and it’s missing.
“When I arrived, there were a lot of English players there and that is why we won. You need to have a mix in the dressing room. What I see now is that they lack that mix.
“I’m sure Arsenal won’t be happy with the Euro draw. The only thing in my head is to knock them out.”
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Fantasitc player no doubt but this isnt the first time hes moaned like a bitch about the CL final.
Incredibly selfish and we were right to get rid.
Was lucky to start the final considering Reyes had played the majority of the games beforehand but Wenger went for sentimental instead of the logical choice
Iamacockface - March 22, 2009 01:23 AM (GMT)
Coca Kolo - March 22, 2009 01:23 AM (GMT)
I'm glad I wasn't the only who thought at the time that Reyes should have started and not Bobby.
Tbh, I really don't see what's wrong with his protest, he's being honest about his feelings and if I was in his position - I'd be moaning every single day about being subbed in that final.
Still, he should blame Lehmann instead of Wenger. :coffee:
Ach - March 22, 2009 01:25 AM (GMT)
He shouldnt be blaming anyone.
Did he expect us to play with no keeper?
Someone had to go off.
Seeing as Pires wouldnt have lasted the 90 anyway, he was the right choice
Coca Kolo - March 22, 2009 01:28 AM (GMT)
He shouldn't but he does, its a grievance he feels, a weakness of being human, blaming someone/something when in reality no-one is to blame apart from Lehmann.
Jens' Face - March 22, 2009 01:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Iamacockface @ Mar 21 2009, 08:23 PM) |
| Let it go, Bobbi. |
:lol:
just noticed your name
good man, true to your word
Ach - March 22, 2009 01:36 AM (GMT)
Well of the 10 outfield players, 7 were definitely not coming off. 4 defenders, 2 CMs and Henry.
That left Freddie, Hleb or Pires.
Bearing in mind we were down to 10 and needed people who could run a lot, Wenger made the right choice.
Anyway the one man to blame is Henry. Had he scored those 2 simple chances, we'd have won and Pires wouldnt give a shit
Coca Kolo - March 22, 2009 01:38 AM (GMT)
2 people to blame. Henry and Lehmann. Henry for choking and Lehmann for coming out for the ball.
Still, you win as a team and lose as team.
Which makes my first point a bit retarded.
Ach - March 22, 2009 01:39 AM (GMT)
Lehmann had to come out for the ball otherwise Barca score. Eto'o was just too quick.
Henry? Less said about the better
Harland - March 22, 2009 05:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ach @ Mar 22 2009, 01:39 AM) |
Lehmann had to come out for the ball otherwise Barca score. Eto'o was just too quick.
As for my worthless opinions? Less said about the better |
:goodpost:
KaiserKolo - March 22, 2009 08:52 AM (GMT)
Pires sounds like Tim Sherwood there with the English players comment.
arsenal901 - March 22, 2009 09:30 AM (GMT)
Cannot blame anyone here. Lehmann kept us in CL with that penalty save and pires will feel hard done by because he felt he deserved to stay on. As for blaming henry, I can never do that after what he has done for the club, match after match! None of our strikers after him have been 20% of what henry was and we still think some of the current forwards are good... that just says what a player TH14 was for us..
newguy - March 22, 2009 09:38 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (arsenal901 @ Mar 22 2009, 09:30 AM) |
| Cannot blame anyone here. Lehmann kept us in CL with that penalty save and pires will feel hard done by because he felt he deserved to stay on. As for blaming henry, I can never do that after what he has done for the club, match after match! None of our strikers after him have been 20% of what henry was and we still think some of the current forwards are good... that just says what a player TH14 was for us.. |
Henry choked, Pires shouldnt have played ahead of Reyes.
JackTheLad19 - March 22, 2009 09:52 AM (GMT)
Old quote but the right choice was made anyway in Paris, Freddie was fantastic all night and Hleb did a good job of keeping possession.
arsenal901 - March 22, 2009 09:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (newguy @ Mar 22 2009, 09:38 AM) |
| QUOTE (arsenal901 @ Mar 22 2009, 09:30 AM) | | Cannot blame anyone here. Lehmann kept us in CL with that penalty save and pires will feel hard done by because he felt he deserved to stay on. As for blaming henry, I can never do that after what he has done for the club, match after match! None of our strikers after him have been 20% of what henry was and we still think some of the current forwards are good... that just says what a player TH14 was for us.. |
Henry choked, Pires shouldnt have played ahead of Reyes.
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For Pires playing ahead of Reyes, blame AW. As for Henry choking, well yea he did choke in the final but i personally cant hold him accountable for that. Every player is allowed to have a few bad days and in TH14's case, his great days outnumbered bad days by a huge ratio
LettersIsBoss - March 22, 2009 10:02 AM (GMT)
If you want to blame a goalkeeper, blame Almunia, not Lehmann. He was shite and could have done better on both goals (although Eto'o was offside for the first). The second itself was an amateurish one to concede.
Henry bottled it, yes. He was also one of the main reasons we reached the final. :)
arsenal901 - March 22, 2009 10:06 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LettersIsBoss @ Mar 22 2009, 10:02 AM) |
If you want to blame a goalkeeper, blame Almunia, not Lehmann. He was shite and could have done better on both goals (although Eto'o was offside for the first). The second itself was an amateurish one to concede.
Henry bottled it, yes. He was also one of the main reasons we reached the final. :) |
:goodpost:
Ach - March 22, 2009 10:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Harland @ Mar 22 2009, 05:25 AM) |
| QUOTE (Ach @ Mar 22 2009, 01:39 AM) | Lehmann had to come out for the ball otherwise Barca score. Eto'o was just too quick.
As for my worthless opinions? Less said about the better |
:goodpost:
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:sleep:
Getting boring mate.
Ach - March 22, 2009 10:28 AM (GMT)
Neither of the goals were Almunias fault :good:
Anyway, hope Pires plays in the game especially at the Emirates.
He'll be given a great reception
Coney - March 22, 2009 10:36 AM (GMT)
I think Pires was chosen over Reyes because Reyes had not been so reliable. When you are then down to 10 men it's always going to be a compromise. Actually, I'd have taken off Hleb rather than Pires because of who would be most likely to shoot score if the chance arose. As said above, Henry and Lehmann where fundamental in us getting to the final in the first place. Shit happens sometimes.
I can understand Pires being pissed off - maybe it could have been a different result - a win for us or a worse defeat. If we'd kept 11 men, we still might not have won. We'll never know - how the match would have turned out is impossible to know. And yeah - Pires needs to get over it. We were all gutted - join the club, Robert. :good:
Maxzimus - March 22, 2009 12:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LettersIsBoss @ Mar 22 2009, 10:02 AM) |
If you want to blame a goalkeeper, blame Almunia, not Lehmann. He was shite and could have done better on both goals (although Eto'o was offside for the first). The second itself was an amateurish one to concede.
Henry bottled it, yes. He was also one of the main reasons we reached the final. :) |
:goodpost: Spot on Almunia had an awful final, he let us down big time.
Ach - March 22, 2009 12:36 PM (GMT)
Even though he could do nothing about either goal and made some great saves during it?
Syn - March 22, 2009 12:43 PM (GMT)
I can see Walcott or Nasri doing to Pires what Pires did to Vieira in our CL run a few years back.
Wenger made the choice he thought was right. He had nothing to gain by making the move solely to piss Pires off. Personally, I think taking off the least dynamic player would've been the right choice anyway, but I also agree with Coney that Pires would've been more likely to take a chance if put through on goal.
The bottom line is Wenger made that decision. And whether it was right or wrong, Pires shouldn't be bringing it up as often as he does. What does he [Pires] want to gain by saying all this? If I was Wenger, I'd tell Eboue to get down that right flank and give Pires a f'cking good whack early on. Unfortunately, Wenger is a classier guy than I.
gege - March 22, 2009 05:57 PM (GMT)
Problem is that he might not even play as he is not a regular starter!
Dr. Gaius Baltar - March 23, 2009 10:30 AM (GMT)
He's just being honest.
The biggest club game of your career, what do you expect?
arsenal901 - March 23, 2009 12:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dr. Gaius Baltar @ Mar 23 2009, 10:30 AM) |
He's just being honest.
The biggest club game of your career, what do you expect? |
Exactly! I dont know what some people are expecting Pires to say... "I was delighted to be substituted in the CL game... its just a final in the place I won the world cup... thanks for taking me off arsene. I cannot ever repay you for this debt!" :fingers:
Thicknthin - March 23, 2009 02:59 PM (GMT)
Booby had to go..he's got wrong star sign you know.
Xaviola - March 23, 2009 10:08 PM (GMT)
It must have hurt to have been subbed off so early but Pires brings this up every time he talks about Arsenal. He really does need to get over it.
Dr. Gaius Baltar - March 23, 2009 10:35 PM (GMT)
But surely he needs to bring it up when he talks about Arsenal. It's why he left, his parting feeling with the club.
Football is often the most important thing in a players' life, if you would be able to just let that go, so be it. But need to? Not really.
Xaviola - March 24, 2009 12:24 AM (GMT)
OK, he doesn't 'need' to do anything but I would prefer it if he concentrated on the good times in his Arsenal career rather than bringing up that every time.
King-Thierry - March 24, 2009 01:39 AM (GMT)
A great Arsenal player and what he did for the club is appreciated but i too would rather he reflected on the succsess he had at Arsenal rather than being subbed off in the CL final
JackTheLad19 - March 24, 2009 06:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xaviola @ Mar 23 2009, 10:08 PM) |
| It must have hurt to have been subbed off so early but Pires brings this up every time he talks about Arsenal. He really does need to get over it. |
It's an old quote! I recognise it from the time he left us in 06. Which is why the idea that he needs to get over it is odd, he hardly talks of it.
Jack Bauer - March 24, 2009 09:33 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JackTheLad19 @ Mar 24 2009, 06:16 PM) |
| QUOTE (Xaviola @ Mar 23 2009, 10:08 PM) | | It must have hurt to have been subbed off so early but Pires brings this up every time he talks about Arsenal. He really does need to get over it. |
It's an old quote! I recognise it from the time he left us in 06. Which is why the idea that he needs to get over it is odd, he hardly talks of it.
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:goodpost:
He was understanbly annoyed at the time but has got over it now.
If I remember correctly he's also bought a highbury flat.
What a legend.
Bobby :bow: :bow: :bow:
Xaviola - March 24, 2009 10:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JackTheLad19 @ Mar 24 2009, 06:16 PM) |
| QUOTE (Xaviola @ Mar 23 2009, 10:08 PM) | | It must have hurt to have been subbed off so early but Pires brings this up every time he talks about Arsenal. He really does need to get over it. |
It's an old quote! I recognise it from the time he left us in 06. Which is why the idea that he needs to get over it is odd, he hardly talks of it.
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Fair enough if it is just being rehashed. :good:
Ach - March 29, 2009 11:10 PM (GMT)
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VILLARREAL star Robert Pires reckons Arsenal’s trophy drought is down to the club’s lack of English players.
Theo Walcott is the only Englishman who regularly features in the Londoners’ first-team, although youth prospects Jack Wilshere and Kieran Gibbs have made occasional appearances this season.
Pires, 35, enjoyed a fine spell with the Gunners after joining in a £6million move from Marseille in 2000 – winning two Premier League titles and three FA Cups with Arsene Wenger's side.
But the Frenchman insists they must bolster their home grown contingent if they are to win their first silverware since 2005’s FA Cup triumph.
Pires said: "Arsenal lack English players at the moment. That ingredient is very important and it's missing.
"When I arrived, there were a lot of English players there and that is why we won.
"You need to have a mix in the dressing room. What I see now is that they lack that mix."
And Pires – who will line up against his old side with Villarreal in the Champions League quarter-finals later this month – warned his old colleagues he is gunning for them.
He added: "I'm sure Arsenal won't be happy with the Champions League draw. The only thing in my head is to knock them out."
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Gooner in Nipon - April 6, 2009 03:00 AM (GMT)
let him have his moan! he has a right to be miffed but at the end of the day the decision was made and it is up to all to accept that! it's part of the game and I am sure that it has played on AW's mind more than once!
for all involved at Arsenal to have gotten that close and to see it taken away is going to stick for a long time! I mean Eboue is probably wishing that he had dived on a few more occasions than he did :run:
our game against Bobbi is coming up and it doesn't surprise me to see the usual rush of related articles!
I am sure we will see more of them, if we progress through to play Barcelona, sh*t they have TH and Hleb, I am sure we will have screwed their careers up too! :coffee:
Spurs Hate La-Sagna - April 6, 2009 05:25 PM (GMT)
Good player. Now shut up already.
Ach - April 7, 2009 01:39 AM (GMT)
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ROBERT PIRES revealed he decided to leave Arsenal when Arsene Wenger subbed him just 18 minutes into the Champions League final against Barcelona.
The winger — who faces the Gunners tonight — described it as the worst moment of his illustrious career and admitted it still haunts him to this day.
Boss Wenger replaced Pires with Manuel Almunia after keeper Jens Lehmann was sent off as Arsenal lost the final in Paris three years ago.
He said: “Leaving Arsenal was the most difficult decision of my career. I was lucky enough to be an Arsenal player for six years and I wanted to finish my career there.
“But what happened in the final against Barcelona made me feel that Wenger didn’t have a lot of confidence in me any more.
“This was the worst moment of my career, that’s for certain, what happened in Paris in the final.”
It was the final straw that made out-of-contract Pires decide to join Villarreal after a prolonged wrangle over a new deal.
Pires wanted two years, Wenger only offered one and being taken off in Paris spelt the end.
He added: “I remember that two days after the final I wanted to speak to Arsene for two things. First to tell him that I couldn’t stay at Arsenal any more and that I was going to sign for Villarreal.
“Second I wanted to know why it was Pires who had to come off in the final.
“He responded that for him too it was a shame but he didn’t have a choice because with me Arsenal couldn’t play more defensively.
“I want to say I am no longer angry with Wenger. I will simply tell him many thanks for what we did together, the confidence he had in me and the titles we won.
“Wenger knows I’ll never agree with him that he made the right decision. But it cannot erase six years when I won trophies, learned from him, grew in confidence and did well with France’s national team. I’ve put it behind me.”
In six glorious seasons Pires won two championships, three FA Cups and was voted the Football Writers’ Footballer of the Year in 2002.
The Gunners lost that Champions League final 2-1 as Barca staged a late comeback.
And since Pires left London, Arsenal have won precisely NOTHING. Many fans believe the mass exodus of experienced superstars, including Pires, is to blame.
Now they will see what they are missing in tonight’s quarter-final first leg as Pires, still going strong at 35, leads his current club into battle with his old one at El Madrigal. The French ace added: “For me it’s a very special occasion.
“It was my goal to face Arsenal before retiring and to say goodbye to tremendous fans.
“If I’m lucky enough to score I know that I won’t celebrate, simply as a gesture of respect to a club, and their fans, which have meant so much in my career.”
Villarreal fans are baying for revenge after Arsenal KO’d them in a nail-biting semi-final three years ago. Ironically Pires was a Gunner then.
He continued: “From the players’ side revenge is not an issue. We simply feel we have a great chance to get to the semi-finals. But the people of Villarreal want revenge.
“They cannot forget what happened here three years ago.
“When we came here with Arsenal we played our worst game in the Champions League and we were very lucky. Jens Lehmann saved a penalty from Juan Roman Riquelme and that’s why we went to Paris.”
Pires has been one of Villarreal’s top performers this season and just last week was handed a one-year extension to his contract.
He added: “The Arsenal page is behind me. I want to finish this season with a title — why not the Champions League.”
Arsene, you have been warned.
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LettersIsBoss - April 7, 2009 06:18 AM (GMT)
Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) - April 7, 2009 08:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (LettersIsBoss @ Apr 7 2009, 07:18 AM) |
| What a gonk. |
Balls.
So he was in a CL Final, he got subbed and was disappointed by that. Who wouldn't be?
"Leaving Arsenal was the most difficult decision of my career. I was lucky enough to be an Arsenal player for six years and I wanted to finish my career there."
"I want to say I am no longer angry with Wenger. I will simply tell him many thanks for what we did together, the confidence he had in me and the titles we won. Wenger knows I’ll never agree with him that he made the right decision. But it cannot erase six years when I won trophies, learned from him, grew in confidence and did well with France’s national team. I’ve put it behind me.”
I'll be cheering him when he comes back to the Emirates, I'm sure most people will.