http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/co...icle150207.html

There we go again.

Win trophies - you're a hero.

Don't win trophies - you're disliked.

I couldn't give a fuck if Ade is booed because I don't care about Ade at all. But I think the fact that the way a player is treated is so dependent on how many titles a player has won - or the player's ability, for that matter - is the pathetic, fickle reality of the modern fan.

So that just leaves work rate, is that the only thing you look for in a player then?

I hear you on the trophies won bit, it's a team game after all. On the ability though, if we have some turd burglars playing for us then we as fans have every right to voice our displeasure IMO, within reason of course.

Yeah, pretty much.

Basically, anything a player can't control, I don't feel as though their fans should judge them for it. That's the manager's job.

If the players are shit, of course you have the right to voice your displeasure. Blame the manager for playing them - but don't have a go at a player that's giving 100% on the pitch.

It's not mutually exclusive, I admit. For example, I'm not Diaby's biggest fan because he's an idiot. Is it his fault he's an idiot? I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't blame him if he doesn't have the brains to realise he's not Maradonna.

None of this counts for Ade though, in fairness. He'd be booed for the way fucked the club about, not because he wasn't any good - because most gooners recognise that he was a very good striker...as he seems to be proving now at Man City.

I don't see what's so hard to understand......when a player give years to a club and helps them achieve something of course he'll be warmly appreciated that's normal, some of the mercernaries we've had recently will never get that though because all they cared about it themselves and furthering their own career.

If you show no respect for the club then don't expect any back, Hleb was another example who made his way out as soon as someone came knocking.

We had a lot of far better players in the past who stuck around resisted the pull of bigger clubs for years and wanted to win trophies with us and indeed did, good on them.

Many players these days think that one decent season is proving yourself, I prefer see a player have a good season and still want to achieve more with the club and ultimately win trophies.

It's the "helping them achieve something" part. If all 11 players were of the same ability, then it'd be fine. But that's not the case. Even for a side that hasn't won anything, some players might good enough to win trophies and some aren't.

Toure was, by far, the weakest link in the 2004 title-winning side. And Ade was one of the best players in a side that finished 4 points off the title in 2008. That doesn't mean Toure was good enough to win trophies and Ade wasn't.

Also, my point was that it's not about ability. If players aren't talented, it's not their fault. They shouldn't be disliked for it.

Everything else, I agree with. I don't like players like Hleb and Flamini leaving as soon as a big club comes knocking - some loyalty to the club would be nice - especially if they're first-team regulars anyway.

I'm in agreement that a players ability doesn't necessarily equal trophies. Toure did stick around for a fair while and whilst I didn't like it when he threw his toys out of the pram last season, he still did put in his shift for a fair few years.

I do think that we as a club give a lot of unproven players a go though and that they owe the club something for giving them the big chance, problem is players don't see it that way these days, I always like to hear players who want to play for the club.

Merida's words about wanting to stick around to make it at Arsenal are great to hear as it shows a player who cares about being with us. Ultimately the big test comes when a player makes it on the big stage and has bigger clubs sniffing around, resisting temptation and staying with the club to give something back is always appreciated.

Totally agree. :good:

Adebayor is a c*** and that is all I have to say on the matter.

We should ask him to join GW, tbh.

Adebayor :bow:

Hope he gets a good reception

i'd take the huge profit we made on him over a carling cup any day.

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Best post you've ever made on here, tbh.

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TBH I wouldn't boo or cheer him... No reason for both He's no Cashley (c***) and no way is he an Henry (legend).

Ah a double negative, so...are you positive?

meh, right schmight. I hate talk about what fans have a "right" to do. Sure, you have a right to boo, go ahead.

But it's not a nice thing to do, and it makes you not-a-nice person. :sulk:

Its ok because Ade is a c***.

that is not a nice thing to say!

This whole acheivements with the club argumnent is bollox the fact of the matter is Kolo gave 100% everytime he put on the shirt and never had a bad word to say about us.

Adebayor was two faced.... fishing for a move last summer and then tried to play us all for mugs when it fell through by claiming he never wanted to leave.

the moment everyone saw through him and lost faith/trust in him was the day he had a press conference saying i love the club i want to stay and then mins afterwards he said "i am an arsenal player now.............. what happens in the future... i don't know!"

I think that is a quite independent marker for characterising someones career. le tissier will always be remembered as someone who chose loyalty to a one horse town club over trophies, ade is currently only going to be remembered for his most memorable attribute which is his desire for gold in his pocket rather than for gold (medals) round his neck.

ade's not winning anything yet isn't what makes him notorious in any sense, nor really is what he does on the field.

You try and make it sound nice when you call a c*** a c***!

I've been thinking of a nice way to put it all night, but this is all I can come up with.

I agree that the statement you've highlighted looks silly taken in isolation, but I dispute that this (ie the fact that he hasn't won a trophy) is the main, or even a reason why Arsenal fans dislike the guy.

Unneccesary embellishment for the article, IMO, but I think that the (fair) point that the writer is making is that he has never stuck around any club for long enough to win anything - therefore its a justified question as to his loyalty.

You might say that loyalty these days is a forgotten virtue, and you'd be right. But there are degrees - and while supporters aren't naive enough to think that a foreign player shares their inbuilt affinity for their club - they are entitled to expect a player who owes a lot to their club (in Adebayor's case, being picked from relative obscurity and being honed into a top striker) to show some committment. It is this lack of committment - both in the player's statements, and in his tepid performances on the pitch - that has created the dislike.

- and the fact that he has turned it on again at Citeh merely highlights this.

I wouldn't boo him, personally, but I certainly dislike the guy, and if he is bood by our fans - well he has definitely reaped what he sows.

I believe Cashley Cole won quite a few trophies. I don't think the word used to describe how he's perceived as by Arsenal fans would be "hero" ...

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