Title: 2 Tier English Premier League
Ach - September 19, 2009 07:15 PM (GMT)
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The proposal to create a two-tier English Premier League will be raised again at a league meeting in November.
Bolton chairman Phil Gartside is the driving force behind the idea that could pave the way for Celtic and Rangers to play in England.
Gartside's plan to include the Old Firm in two divisions of 18 teams was mooted earlier this year but not formally discussed by the Premier League.
European governing body Uefa has said it would not oppose such a move.
Uefa has consistently indicated that teams will not be allowed to play in leagues outside their own country but director of communications William Gaillard told BBC Scotland in April the matter would be something to be decided between the leagues and associations involved.
Those bodies would be the Premier League, the Football Association, the Football League, the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football Association.
BBC Scotland understands that neither Old Firm club has been actively lobbying for the change, though both are likely to be keen on the switch.
Speaking in April, Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell said: "If the right proposal comes along, we will give it serious consideration.
"I think there is a very strong rationale at the moment for an EPL2."
Rangers boss Walter Smith would also like to pit his wits against England's finest.
When the topic was raised earlier this year, he said: "If they were lucky enough to be invited then it would take a number of years to build up.
"But Rangers and Celtic would not be fighting relegation, they would be adding to England's top four."
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How will this work then?
Marc Overmars - September 19, 2009 07:18 PM (GMT)
The Jocks are not welcome.
adzzzbatch - September 19, 2009 07:21 PM (GMT)
What makes scottish clubs believe they would do well in the EPL?
Their play is Championship standard at best.
Ach - September 19, 2009 07:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Marc Overmars @ Sep 19 2009, 08:18 PM) |
| The Jocks are not welcome. |
As a great man once said, we dont need their sort
JackTheLad19 - September 19, 2009 07:36 PM (GMT)
Yeah the Jocks can piss off.
Interested to see wtf would go on here though. Is it part of some elaborate plan to save Bolton from relegation by putting more shit teams alongside them?
The Wengerbabies - September 19, 2009 07:55 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ach @ Sep 19 2009, 08:15 PM) |
| QUOTE | The proposal to create a two-tier English Premier League will be raised again at a league meeting in November.
Bolton chairman Phil Gartside is the driving force behind the idea that could pave the way for Celtic and Rangers to play in England.
Gartside's plan to include the Old Firm in two divisions of 18 teams was mooted earlier this year but not formally discussed by the Premier League.
European governing body Uefa has said it would not oppose such a move.
Uefa has consistently indicated that teams will not be allowed to play in leagues outside their own country but director of communications William Gaillard told BBC Scotland in April the matter would be something to be decided between the leagues and associations involved.
Those bodies would be the Premier League, the Football Association, the Football League, the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football Association.
BBC Scotland understands that neither Old Firm club has been actively lobbying for the change, though both are likely to be keen on the switch.
Speaking in April, Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell said: "If the right proposal comes along, we will give it serious consideration.
"I think there is a very strong rationale at the moment for an EPL2."
Rangers boss Walter Smith would also like to pit his wits against England's finest.
When the topic was raised earlier this year, he said: "If they were lucky enough to be invited then it would take a number of years to build up.
"But Rangers and Celtic would not be fighting relegation, they would be adding to England's top four."
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How will this work then?
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I dont think it will change anything really I think basically instead of:
Premier League
Championship
League 1
League 2
You would get:
Premier League
Premier League 2
Championship
League 1
League 2
Cant see the point, tbh leave it as it is (although rename the Championship and Leagues 1&2 so it makes more sense)
Arshavinslittlelegs - September 19, 2009 09:03 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JackTheLad19 @ Sep 19 2009, 08:36 PM) |
Yeah the Jocks can piss off.
Interested to see wtf would go on here though. Is it part of some elaborate plan to save Bolton from relegation by putting more shit teams alongside them? |
:haha:
adzzzbatch - September 19, 2009 09:13 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Wengerbabies @ Sep 19 2009, 08:55 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ach @ Sep 19 2009, 08:15 PM) | | QUOTE | The proposal to create a two-tier English Premier League will be raised again at a league meeting in November.
Bolton chairman Phil Gartside is the driving force behind the idea that could pave the way for Celtic and Rangers to play in England.
Gartside's plan to include the Old Firm in two divisions of 18 teams was mooted earlier this year but not formally discussed by the Premier League.
European governing body Uefa has said it would not oppose such a move.
Uefa has consistently indicated that teams will not be allowed to play in leagues outside their own country but director of communications William Gaillard told BBC Scotland in April the matter would be something to be decided between the leagues and associations involved.
Those bodies would be the Premier League, the Football Association, the Football League, the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football Association.
BBC Scotland understands that neither Old Firm club has been actively lobbying for the change, though both are likely to be keen on the switch.
Speaking in April, Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell said: "If the right proposal comes along, we will give it serious consideration.
"I think there is a very strong rationale at the moment for an EPL2."
Rangers boss Walter Smith would also like to pit his wits against England's finest.
When the topic was raised earlier this year, he said: "If they were lucky enough to be invited then it would take a number of years to build up.
"But Rangers and Celtic would not be fighting relegation, they would be adding to England's top four."
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How will this work then?
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I dont think it will change anything really I think basically instead of:
Premier League
Championship
League 1
League 2
You would get:
Premier League
Premier League 2
Championship
League 1
League 2
Cant see the point, tbh leave it as it is (although rename the Championship and Leagues 1&2 so it makes more sense)
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No the way I read it is we'd get something similar to what MLB is, with the American League and the National League.
The Wengerbabies - September 19, 2009 09:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (adzzzbatch @ Sep 19 2009, 10:13 PM) |
| QUOTE (The Wengerbabies @ Sep 19 2009, 08:55 PM) | | QUOTE (Ach @ Sep 19 2009, 08:15 PM) | | QUOTE | The proposal to create a two-tier English Premier League will be raised again at a league meeting in November.
Bolton chairman Phil Gartside is the driving force behind the idea that could pave the way for Celtic and Rangers to play in England.
Gartside's plan to include the Old Firm in two divisions of 18 teams was mooted earlier this year but not formally discussed by the Premier League.
European governing body Uefa has said it would not oppose such a move.
Uefa has consistently indicated that teams will not be allowed to play in leagues outside their own country but director of communications William Gaillard told BBC Scotland in April the matter would be something to be decided between the leagues and associations involved.
Those bodies would be the Premier League, the Football Association, the Football League, the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football Association.
BBC Scotland understands that neither Old Firm club has been actively lobbying for the change, though both are likely to be keen on the switch.
Speaking in April, Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell said: "If the right proposal comes along, we will give it serious consideration.
"I think there is a very strong rationale at the moment for an EPL2."
Rangers boss Walter Smith would also like to pit his wits against England's finest.
When the topic was raised earlier this year, he said: "If they were lucky enough to be invited then it would take a number of years to build up.
"But Rangers and Celtic would not be fighting relegation, they would be adding to England's top four."
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How will this work then?
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I dont think it will change anything really I think basically instead of:
Premier League
Championship
League 1
League 2
You would get:
Premier League
Premier League 2
Championship
League 1
League 2
Cant see the point, tbh leave it as it is (although rename the Championship and Leagues 1&2 so it makes more sense)
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No the way I read it is we'd get something similar to what MLB is, with the American League and the National League.
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How does that work :blink:
Ach - November 6, 2009 05:26 PM (GMT)
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Everton manager David Moyes has backed proposals for a two-tier Premier League involving Celtic and Rangers.
The idea, suggested by Bolton chairman Phil Gartside, will be discussed by Premier League clubs next week.
"I'd like to see it because I'm a Scotsman and I think it would be great to see Celtic and Rangers initially in a Premier League Two," said Moyes.
"TV would be interested, media would be interested and the crowds at every ground in the country would increase."
Moyes added: "Both Celtic and Rangers have as big a support as any team in England. From that point of view it would help the game in England if we need a boost in revenue."
Gartside's plan, initially proposed last year, involves the Premier League being expanded into two divisions of 18 teams.
The inclusion of Glasgow giants Celtic and Rangers could lead to an increase in television revenue that would be spread across a greater number of teams.
Gartside, one of longest-serving chairmen in the top flight, said when he first floated the idea that he felt it would make the Premier League more competitive.
The proposals have struggled to gain support, with the top clubs keen to protect the status quo. Any change to the Premier League rules would require 14 clubs to vote in favour.
"I would rather this than an Atlantic league, or some other European league," said Moyes, a former Celtic player. "We have Welsh teams playing in English football so why not Scottish?
"The Scottish teams are really, really big clubs and I feel it would be good for everyone.
"I am sure it would work, even if it would open a can of worms over other nations, say Belgian and Holland, for example, joining forces."
Meanwhile, Moyes has admitted that the burden of midweek European football is stretching his squad to the limits and having a detrimental effect on the club's league form.
Everton, who lost 2-0 to Benfica in the Europa League on Thursday night, go into Sunday's league meeting with West Ham without injury victims Mikel Arteta, Phil Jagielka, Leon Osman, Victor Anichebe, James Vaughan and Phil Neville.
"Maybe we could look back and say Europe has been a hindrance to us," he said.
"I've tried not to have any regrets but the more and more games you play the more you realise that managers have talked a lot of sense in the past.
"It makes it very difficult to win the Premier League games when you have got midweek games.
"Maybe that's why the word rotation has been used quite a lot to try to make sure everybody is as fresh as they can be.
"I've always wanted to put out my strongest team but undoubtedly it could be having an effect on some of the Premier League results."
Everton are only two points above the relegation zone after collecting just three wins in 10 league games this season.
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Moyes should STFU and worry bout his job
Rors - November 6, 2009 07:14 PM (GMT)
Celtic and Rangers? Nah, our mid-table is stacked enough already thanks..
Jens' Face - November 6, 2009 07:37 PM (GMT)
how would this work? Relegation to and promotion from the 2nd tier? If so, how is the second prem any different from the championship?
Syn - November 6, 2009 07:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Jens' Face @ Nov 6 2009, 08:37 PM) |
| how would this work? Relegation to and promotion from the 2nd tier? If so, how is the second prem any different from the championship? |
That was going to be my question.
And what tier would Liverhoof be in?
Ngog is Boss - November 6, 2009 08:01 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Syn @ Nov 6 2009, 07:56 PM) |
And what tier would Liverhoof be in? |
:blah:
*slightly more sinister than I intended*
Syn - November 6, 2009 08:03 PM (GMT)
He's also fat.
*Doesn't need to make sense, tbf. Suitable comeback in any situation.*
Ngog is Boss - November 6, 2009 08:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Syn @ Nov 6 2009, 08:03 PM) |
He's also fat.
*Doesn't need to make sense, tbf. Suitable comeback in any situation.* |
:blah:
*Impossible to argue with that.*
The Wengerbabies - November 6, 2009 09:19 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Syn @ Nov 6 2009, 07:56 PM) |
And what tier would Liverhoof be in? |
Blue Square North :good:
St. Jimmy - November 6, 2009 09:51 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Syn @ Nov 6 2009, 08:03 PM) |
He's also fat.
*Doesn't need to make sense, tbf. Suitable comeback in any situation.* |
:goodpost:
Gubby-Allen - November 6, 2009 10:07 PM (GMT)
Nothing really changed from the football league to the Premiership in 92-93.
My only view, is that is football was starting from scratch today with the exact same sides having evolved, it would never be structured as it is 20-24-24-24.
46 games in 3 leagues & more significantly 138 points to play for is absurd. You end up with great 15 or 20 point gaps between two places, teams up & down by march and next to nothing to play for in the last 3 games.
Something like an 18-18-20-20-20 would be far better (maybe the bottom 2 parallel & a North/South), the season would go right to the last games, there would be better parity between sides & the cup competitions would not be taken so lightly.
Ach - November 10, 2009 01:31 PM (GMT)
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HARRY REDKNAPP reckons Celtic and Rangers should be allowed to join the Premier League.
The Old Firm's bid to leave the SPL has already received the backing of Everton boss David Moyes and Aston Villa manager Martin O'Neill.
And now Redknapp has thrown his weight behind the campaign to get English football's top flight to make room for the two biggest clubs in Scotland.
The Tottenham boss said: "I would welcome Celtic and Rangers to English football if they wanted to play down here — no doubt about it.
"I'm sure they would be good for the English game.
"We are talking about two huge football clubs and if they were to join our league you would be looking at great games in great stadiums.
"I was up in Scotland only a couple of months ago to watch Celtic play Arsenal in the Champions League qualifiers and the atmosphere was out of this world.
"It was incredible and I'd love to see games like that on a more regular basis.
"The one worry I would have is what happens to the rest of Scottish football if the two of them are allowed to leave. But only the people up there know the answer to that.
"If you're asking me if it would be good for the English game, then the answer is yes."
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...l#ixzz0WSlVViGg
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Harry should STFU
Theologooner - November 10, 2009 04:59 PM (GMT)
Frankly I'm not sure either team is of Premiership quality, what happens if they come in and go straight down? Relegation isn't something they're very used to. Therefore if they are to be allowed in it should initially be in the Championship, so that they can prove they're good enough for the Prem. Though even if they did I have a suspicion they'd end up being the Scottish equivalent of WBA, up one season down again the next.
Der_Kaiser - November 10, 2009 05:55 PM (GMT)
Nah, they're easily good enough to stay in the EPL. But they should stay put.
Alexander Bong - November 10, 2009 07:10 PM (GMT)
I'm not sure if they would stay in the Premiership with their current squads. They would probably manage however to finish in the top 36.
But if they were to be admitted into the EPL, there would be few survivors amongst their current playing staff as they would have the resources to significantly strenghten their squads.
A measure of how bad it has got in the SPL is that only two teams (Celtic and one other - not Rangers) actually paid a transfer fee for a player. There are also rumours going round that Rangers will need to sell 3 players in January in order to satisfy creditors.
Ach - November 10, 2009 07:14 PM (GMT)
One thing that makes me laugh is when Celtic and Rangers fans say that if they were in the Premiership, they would be getting Premiership money and therefore would be challenging for the title/CL places.
Wigan, Bolton, Stoke, Hull etc are all premiership sides and getting premiership money. Dont see them anywhere near the top 4 and they are arguably on the same level as the old firm
Alexander Bong - November 10, 2009 07:39 PM (GMT)
Celtic and Rangers would have significantly more resources than those teams you mention as a result of their worldwide fanbase.
Save me Jebus! - November 10, 2009 11:29 PM (GMT)
Its a fucking stupid idea and hopefully most senible managers/clubs will laugh at the proposal!
They wanted their own country/parliament/football league - now they can fucking rot in it!!
Alexander Bong - November 10, 2009 11:32 PM (GMT)
I'm not Scottish, but I'm getting a bit fed up with some of the anti-Scottish bile that appears on this forum.
A bit of banter is good, but some are taking it too far.
Save me Jebus! - November 10, 2009 11:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Alexander Bong @ Nov 10 2009, 11:32 PM) |
I'm not Scottish, but I'm getting a bit fed up with some of the anti-Scottish bile that appears on this forum.
A bit of banter is good, but some are taking it too far. |
My ancestors were scottish, my family has its own clan tartan.
But I dont see english people wanting to seperate themselves from scotland in the same way that they do to us.
Its not hatred I have, Im just fed up and pissed off with their constant moaning about being mistreated, or left out etc etc.
Also, why exactly should they be allowed to join the PL? What would happen to the rest of the SPL if they left? It would die a death surely!?
Is that what they want, for their football league to be left with nothing at all?
They moan about not getting enough money from Sky etc, but isnt the reason for that, that us english PL supporters just arent that interested in the Scottish PL?
I dont see why we should have to accomodate them, and why we should have a 2 tier PL - which is stupid. Im sure it would further encourage the top 4 to break away into a european superleague.
Alexander Bong - November 10, 2009 11:43 PM (GMT)
I'm not talking about your post in isolation.
If I was a Scottish Gooner, I'd find this a hostile and uninviting forum.
Ach - November 10, 2009 11:46 PM (GMT)
Youre Irish.
Whats the difference? ;)
Save me Jebus! - November 10, 2009 11:48 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Alexander Bong @ Nov 10 2009, 11:43 PM) |
I'm not talking about your post in isolation.
If I was a Scottish Gooner, I'd find this a hostile and uninviting forum. |
I know mate, just explaining myself so you get where Im coming from :good:
Alexander Bong - November 10, 2009 11:50 PM (GMT)
St. Jimmy - November 10, 2009 11:51 PM (GMT)
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkwrzPswt04[/YOUTUBE]
Sorry...
Lancastrian Gunner - November 11, 2009 12:01 AM (GMT)
St. Jimmy - November 11, 2009 12:10 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lancastrian Gunner @ Nov 11 2009, 12:01 AM) |
| Monkey Dust :bow: |
:goodpost:
St. Jimmy - November 11, 2009 12:11 AM (GMT)
Jens' Face - November 11, 2009 02:48 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Alexander Bong @ Nov 10 2009, 06:43 PM) |
I'm not talking about your post in isolation.
If I was a Scottish Gooner, I'd find this a hostile and uninviting forum. |
that's fair.
we need to insult the Irish a lot more than we do. The Canadians could use a well-placed smackdown now and again as well.
I do my best to insult the English, but I have to say that I don't feel like the rest of you are contributing very much in that respect.* We need Marc back. :(
* Of course, you are making an essential contribution insofar as you're English and therefore risible. But what I mean is that you're not articulating mockery of the English sufficiently.
Gubby-Allen - November 11, 2009 09:29 PM (GMT)
There are about a dozen proposals in amongst this - I hope they're not all dimissed because a couple of them are ridiculous ideas.
At least half of the proposals - including the P.L 1 & 2 I think are terrific ideas & should safeguard more clubs - and if the leagues beneath opt to structure themselves in a sensible way should result in far better competition.
Then there are a couple I can go either way with - I can see the good & bad in the 2 Scots sides coming here.
Then there are the nonsense idea like the Irish franchise & no relegation.
But don't dismiss them all because of the latter two proposals.
Gubby-Allen - November 11, 2009 09:31 PM (GMT)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_footb...another_countryThis is quite interesting - a list of clubs that play in leagues that are not their own:
Obviously Cardiff, Swansea and the rest in England, Tenerife in LaLiga, Monaco in La Championnat but so many more too - so the precedent is there.
Alexander Bong - November 11, 2009 09:36 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Gubby-Allen @ Nov 11 2009, 09:31 PM) |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_footb...another_country
This is quite interesting - a list of clubs that play in leagues that are not their own:
Obviously Cardiff, Swansea and the rest in England, Tenerife in LaLiga, Monaco in La Championnat but so many more too - so the precedent is there. |
And Berwick in Scotland.