Title: Revealed: Man Utd get more added time than needed
Description: shock! horror! As obvious is stated!
Description: shock! horror! As obvious is stated!
Der_Kaiser - September 22, 2009 08:04 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| Sir Alex Ferguson likes to boast that his Manchester United team score more late goals than any other side in the world. Others argue that they get a bit of extra help from referees. It has now emerged that the Premier League champions do, as suspected, benefit from an imbalance in the amount of stoppage time that is added to their matches. After the controversy over Michael Owen's winning goal in Sunday's Manchester derby, the Guardian has looked at all of United's league matches at Old Trafford since the start of the 2006-07 season and discovered that, on average, there has been over a minute extra added by referees when United do not have the lead after 90 minutes, compared to when they are in front. In 48 games when United were ahead, the average amount of stoppage time was 191.35 seconds. In 12 matches when United were drawing or losing there was an average of 257.17sec. The average stoppage time added at Old Trafford in the period in question is below that given at Anfield, the Emirates Stadium and Stamford Bridge. United's is 205 seconds, compared to Liverpool's 210sec, Arsenal's 224sec and Chelsea's 229sec. But there is also evidence to support the suspicions of many managers, players and supporters that United get preferential treatment at home. When Owen made it 4-3 on Sunday the game was five minutes and 26 seconds into stoppage time. In total, the referee, Martin Atkinson, allowed almost seven minutes, even though the fourth official had signalled a minimum of four. Mark Hughes, the City manager, spoke of feeling "robbed". His sense of grievance will not be helped if he analyses the last three seasons. In 2006-07, for example, United were winning 15 times on entering stoppage time and referees added an average 194.53sec. In the four games when United were not winning there was an average of 217.25sec. The following year the disparity was greater, Opta's figures showing an average 178.29sec added when United were winning and 254.5sec when they were not. Last season it was 187.71sec compared to 258.6sec. The pattern has continued in the first three games of the season. In the two games United have led they have played an average 304sec of injury time. On Sunday, Atkinson allowed the game to go on for 415sec. |
Fergie time :bow:
McNamara That Ghost... - September 22, 2009 08:14 AM (GMT)
:faint:
Whatever - September 22, 2009 08:27 AM (GMT)
Maybe it has something to do with other teams time - wasting when they hand on to a point or three? 
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 09:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Whatever @ Sep 22 2009, 09:27 AM) |
| Maybe it has something to do with other teams time - wasting when they hand on to a point or three? |
Makes sense.
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 09:06 AM (GMT)
Also, i wonder why they only talk about one season.
What happened last season? Or the season before 06/07. Strange...
What happened last season? Or the season before 06/07. Strange...
Der_Kaiser - September 22, 2009 09:16 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Michael Westen @ Sep 22 2009, 10:06 AM) |
| Also, i wonder why they only talk about one season. What happened last season? Or the season before 06/07. Strange... |
48 home games since 2006/07...they talk about the three seasons mentioned...:lol:
Also, we get more on average and Whatever does have a point here, but what everyone needs to know is Man Utd are worse than Juventus and there's a massive conspircacy going on.
Gill >>> Moggi.
Strip them of their titles tbh.
:RAWK:
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 09:18 AM (GMT)
:lol:
Yeh i need to stop scanning.
Oh well, all in all, good. :whistle:
Yeh i need to stop scanning.
Oh well, all in all, good. :whistle:
Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL) - September 22, 2009 09:30 AM (GMT)
Umm...thing about this is
a) We've done it plenty too - we did it to ManYoo a couple of years back.
b) There's no rule against the opposition scoring against ManYoo in added time, both teams get the same amount of time.
In brief: meh.
a) We've done it plenty too - we did it to ManYoo a couple of years back.
b) There's no rule against the opposition scoring against ManYoo in added time, both teams get the same amount of time.
In brief: meh.
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 09:34 AM (GMT)
It wouldnt surprise me if this was the same for all of the top four anyway.
We've all made it a trade mark of scoring late goals.
We've all made it a trade mark of scoring late goals.
bergstar - September 22, 2009 09:34 AM (GMT)
Sky done a piece on the top four over the last few years, Man U came out with the least added time out of the four. Obvioulsy the conspiricists will say Sky Utd have doctered the figures or that the games they focussed on, Utd were ahead at the time. Hence, blow that whistsle quick Dermott
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 09:41 AM (GMT)
Yeh i saw that stat too. I think it was all the games and yeh, they didnt compare when we were winning and when we werent.
I dont mind, but i would like to see the stats for the other top four clubs.
I dont mind, but i would like to see the stats for the other top four clubs.
Der_Kaiser - September 22, 2009 09:42 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Michael Westen @ Sep 22 2009, 10:41 AM) |
| Yeh i saw that stat too. I think it was all the games and yeh, they didnt compare when we were winning and when we werent. I dont mind, but i would like to see the stats for the other top four clubs. |
Yeah, you really shouldn't skim over stuff...:lol:
| QUOTE |
| The average stoppage time added at Old Trafford in the period in question is below that given at Anfield, the Emirates Stadium and Stamford Bridge. United's is 205 seconds, compared to Liverpool's 210sec, Arsenal's 224sec and Chelsea's 229sec. |
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 10:02 AM (GMT)
Yeh but i thought that was on average for all games, not on average when you lot were behind?
Der_Kaiser - September 22, 2009 10:10 AM (GMT)
Oh yeah. The 2006/07 season is probably one where our injury time is highest cos we were behind in most home games them, before coming back to draw...
bergstar - September 22, 2009 11:09 AM (GMT)
If someone asked me who has the most i'd have said Arsenal without question. We're normally still playing at 17.05 !
Apparently it's Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Utd , according to sky's report yesterday.
Apparently it's Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Utd , according to sky's report yesterday.
Syn - September 22, 2009 11:13 AM (GMT)
It would also be interesting to see who the most fouled team has been over the last few seasons. And the average number of goals in matches involving each team. I would've thought we're very high up on both lists.
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 11:20 AM (GMT)
Havent got up to date, but apparently, in the three seasons preceeding 08/09, we were fouled the most, albeit very close.
Manchester United (1,467) Everton (1,465) Arsenal (1,449).
Manchester United (1,467) Everton (1,465) Arsenal (1,449).
bergstar - September 22, 2009 11:21 AM (GMT)
Conspiracy time; No, you were given the most free kicks, doesn't mean you wee the most fouled.
Michael Westen - September 22, 2009 11:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bergstar @ Sep 22 2009, 12:21 PM) |
| Conspiracy time; No, you were given the most free kicks, doesn't mean you wee the most fouled. |
:lol:
Something like that.
bergstar - September 22, 2009 11:28 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Michael Westen @ Sep 22 2009, 12:25 PM) | ||
:lol: Something like that. |
Thats better. Don't try and take our 'most fouled team' title away, it's the only thing that the 'wearesoharddonebybrigade' have left to cling on to
Nayan - September 22, 2009 11:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Michael Westen @ Sep 22 2009, 09:06 AM) |
| Also, i wonder why they only talk about one season. What happened last season? Or the season before 06/07. Strange... |
lot of work going thorugh all those match archives
Nayan - September 22, 2009 12:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bergstar @ Sep 22 2009, 11:09 AM) |
| If someone asked me who has the most i'd have said Arsenal without question. We're normally still playing at 17.05 ! Apparently it's Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Utd , according to sky's report yesterday. |
It might look that way last season cos adebayor ambling off to the showers didnt look that different to adebayor ambling across the halfway line at the tip of the 'counterattack.'
Nayan - September 22, 2009 12:02 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Michael Westen @ Sep 22 2009, 09:41 AM) |
| Yeh i saw that stat too. I think it was all the games and yeh, they didnt compare when we were winning and when we werent. I dont mind, but i would like to see the stats for the other top four clubs. |
after the drby, when hughes was moaning, the interviewer retorted with 'so would you say united always gte special treatment at home?'
he couldnt anwer with anything concrete (obviously).
made me chuckle anyway
Nayan - September 23, 2009 02:44 PM (GMT)
Michael Westen - September 23, 2009 02:45 PM (GMT)
:lol:
Gubby-Allen - September 26, 2009 11:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (bergstar @ Sep 22 2009, 09:34 AM) |
| Sky done a piece on the top four over the last few years, Man U came out with the least added time out of the four. Obvioulsy the conspiricists will say Sky Utd have doctered the figures or that the games they focussed on, Utd were ahead at the time. Hence, blow that whistsle quick Dermott |
Well of course it would do - that adds to the conspiracy -
They're the champions, therefore they win more games than anyone else - thus it's to their advantage they get less injury time, that's in their favour.
The real table of relevance needs to be one comparing how much injury time all sides get when they are losing/drawing. I'd fancy those (which is only 10 or so games a season for United) would show Man Utd benefit most too.
Michael Westen - September 28, 2009 09:40 AM (GMT)
Oh well, all is well, that ends well, right?
McNamara That Ghost... - September 28, 2009 10:31 AM (GMT)
That's right!