Title: McLintock: Its like criticising the Pope!
Johnbo14 - September 27, 2009 12:48 PM (GMT)
http://www.tribalfootball.com/arsenal-lege...ing-pope-343711What gets me about this is that this "legend" was with Arsene only two days ago at the opening of Highbury Square and I wonder if he said anything to him about this then. Of course he didnt! Its so two-faced its sad. If this was Wrighty we'd be slagging him off so Frank shouldnt get away with it. Whether we agree with him or not, he had the chance to say all this to the man directly and yet hes chosen to do it through the papers. Classy!!
The Emirates Gallastico - September 27, 2009 12:51 PM (GMT)
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Arsenal Double-winning captain Frank McLintock says the Gunners have turned into a selling club.
He told the Independent on Sunday: "I can't believe they're not going out and buying at least two players. I know they've been trying to get the lad from Bordeaux but didn't want to pay the money. They might get him in January, but the season could be over by January. They've got 40-odd million [for Kolo Touré and Emmanuel Adebayor] and spent 10. I didn't know we were a selling club, I thought we were a big club."
Any suggestion that Arsene Wenger is less than infallible can, of course, be taken badly even from such a revered figure as McLintock.
"Arsène's done a great job, I think he's a great manager, but the trouble is if you ever make a valid point about Arsène and the club, it's like criticising the Pope. Everybody gets up in arms. There are certain players at Arsenal who Arsène's talked about coming through, who if they play to 30 won't be good enough for Arsenal in my opinion." |
Nothing too wrong with what he's said. We don't know whether he did or didn't say anything to Wenger so the above is fair comment IMO.
The Wengerbabies - September 27, 2009 12:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Emirates Gallastico @ Sep 27 2009, 01:51 PM) |
| QUOTE | Arsenal Double-winning captain Frank McLintock says the Gunners have turned into a selling club.
He told the Independent on Sunday: "I can't believe they're not going out and buying at least two players. I know they've been trying to get the lad from Bordeaux but didn't want to pay the money. They might get him in January, but the season could be over by January. They've got 40-odd million [for Kolo Touré and Emmanuel Adebayor] and spent 10. I didn't know we were a selling club, I thought we were a big club."
Any suggestion that Arsene Wenger is less than infallible can, of course, be taken badly even from such a revered figure as McLintock.
"Arsène's done a great job, I think he's a great manager, but the trouble is if you ever make a valid point about Arsène and the club, it's like criticising the Pope. Everybody gets up in arms. There are certain players at Arsenal who Arsène's talked about coming through, who if they play to 30 won't be good enough for Arsenal in my opinion." |
Nothing too wrong with what he's said. We don't know whether he did or didn't say anything to Wenger so the above is fair comment IMO.
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Thanks for quoting it :bow:
Ach - September 27, 2009 12:55 PM (GMT)
Good thing his opinion is pretty much worthless
Johnbo14 - September 27, 2009 12:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ach @ Sep 27 2009, 12:55 PM) |
| Good thing his opinion is pretty much worthless |
:goodpost: Exactly.
The opinion of the most successful manager in the clubs history or the opinion of a man who hasnt spent one day in management?
I know which one we should all be trusting and accepting.
Frank McLintock has just lost a lot of respect IMO. I thought he was one of the good ones who didnt spout his negativity in the papers in order to keep his name alive.
Maxzimus - September 27, 2009 12:59 PM (GMT)
I think he's right, it's a long time since AW delivered and how long can he live of past glories for?
Great managers win consistently they don't win a few trophies then go long periods without anything. AW is a very good manager, but I wouldn't call him great simply because he's got some major flaws....for example he's happy to sit an watch a team grow in the hope they win something, a top manager would bring in the right personnel as well...not wait and hope for it to happen by itself.
Anyway Mclintock is right AW has become untouchable and criticising him is seen as some sort of sin by some. Criticism is very valid if you're not doing the most possible to win things when at a big club.
The Emirates Gallastico - September 27, 2009 01:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Johnbo14 @ Sep 27 2009, 06:28 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ach @ Sep 27 2009, 12:55 PM) | | Good thing his opinion is pretty much worthless |
:goodpost: Exactly.
The opinion of the most successful manager in the clubs history or the opinion of a man who hasnt spent one day in management?
I know which one we should all be trusting and accepting.
Frank McLintock has just lost a lot of respect IMO. I thought he was one of the good ones who didnt spout his negativity in the papers in order to keep his name alive.
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What has he said that you disagree with? :)
Ach - September 27, 2009 01:45 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (The Emirates Gallastico @ Sep 27 2009, 02:44 PM) |
| QUOTE (Johnbo14 @ Sep 27 2009, 06:28 PM) | | QUOTE (Ach @ Sep 27 2009, 12:55 PM) | | Good thing his opinion is pretty much worthless |
:goodpost: Exactly.
The opinion of the most successful manager in the clubs history or the opinion of a man who hasnt spent one day in management?
I know which one we should all be trusting and accepting.
Frank McLintock has just lost a lot of respect IMO. I thought he was one of the good ones who didnt spout his negativity in the papers in order to keep his name alive.
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What has he said that you disagree with? :)
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| Arsène's done a great job, I think he's a great manager, |
That.
Wenger?
Awful manager :lol:
Get Bendtner - September 27, 2009 01:46 PM (GMT)
McLintock is entitled to his opinion, and there is not anything there that I disagree with.
Nayan - September 28, 2009 06:59 AM (GMT)
he is right if he is saying taht nobody at the club stands up to wenger and tahts unhealthy.
but its a very cheap shot to say 'some players there wont ever be good enough.'
1) You can bet he woudln't be aiming that and any 'british lad coming through'
2) he should name names or shut the fuck up. Otherwise he is just playing to the gallery.
If he puts his neck on the lne and says 'denilson is shit and needs to go.' or 'senderos is a wanker and has no place at the club.' then fair play. Otherwise its a cowardly way to behave.
bergstar - September 28, 2009 03:42 PM (GMT)
Nothing wrong with what McLintock says at all. We are a selling club. He's an Arsenal man through and through and is speaking like a fan. He may well of said something to Arsene, we don't know
Grebbo - September 28, 2009 03:51 PM (GMT)
Unless you're Barca or Madrid then you're a selling club.
There's always a bigger club out there who takes your best players.
It's how football and the world works.
Maxzimus - September 28, 2009 04:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 04:51 PM) |
Unless you're Barca or Madrid then you're a selling club.
There's always a bigger club out there who takes your best players.
It's how football and the world works. |
I think it's all relative though, sure clubs sell but we seem to be a rather easy target these days, clubs know that none of our players are beyond signing even if we say they're not available.
Sometimes at knockdown prices.
Grebbo - September 28, 2009 04:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maxzimus @ Sep 28 2009, 04:00 PM) |
| QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 04:51 PM) | Unless you're Barca or Madrid then you're a selling club.
There's always a bigger club out there who takes your best players.
It's how football and the world works. |
I think it's all relative though, sure clubs sell but we seem to be a rather easy target these days, clubs know that none of our players are beyond signing even if we say they're not available.
Sometimes at knockdown prices.
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Which players are you talking about?
Hleb for example went to Barca. Hard to fend off Barca. Hleb wasn't very good anyway.
Toure and Whore. Well Toure was past it and Whore had given up playing for us so they had to go.
Most of our players are sold to bigger clubs. And that is how football tends to work. We manage to sign players because we're a bigger club than the club we're buying from.
Henry we gave away at £16m. That was crazy money. But he'd given his best years for us and had just divorced his wife - he wanted to get away. Barca was his dream move and I think we sacrificed some of the fee because of what he'd done for us.
Syn - September 28, 2009 04:25 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 05:22 PM) |
| QUOTE (Maxzimus @ Sep 28 2009, 04:00 PM) | | QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 04:51 PM) | Unless you're Barca or Madrid then you're a selling club.
There's always a bigger club out there who takes your best players.
It's how football and the world works. |
I think it's all relative though, sure clubs sell but we seem to be a rather easy target these days, clubs know that none of our players are beyond signing even if we say they're not available.
Sometimes at knockdown prices.
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Which players are you talking about?
Hleb for example went to Barca. Hard to fend off Barca. Hleb wasn't very good anyway.
Toure and Whore. Well Toure was past it and Whore had given up playing for us so they had to go.
Most of our players are sold to bigger clubs. And that is how football tends to work. We manage to sign players because we're a bigger club than the club we're buying from.
Henry we gave away at £16m. That was crazy money. But he'd given his best years for us and had just divorced his wife - he wanted to get away. Barca was his dream move and I think we sacrificed some of the fee because of what he'd done for us.
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:goodpost:
Talking a lot of sense here.
edit: Although Hleb was quality.
Grebbo - September 28, 2009 04:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Syn @ Sep 28 2009, 04:25 PM) |
| edit: Although Hleb was quality. |
Well yeah that's why lots of top clubs were queuing up to relieve him of his Barca nightmare.
Sublime close control and running with the ball. Probably one of the best I've ever seen. Sadly his passing and shooting was woeful, really woeful.
But thanks for the :goodpost:
:D
Maxzimus - September 28, 2009 04:31 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 05:22 PM) |
| QUOTE (Maxzimus @ Sep 28 2009, 04:00 PM) | | QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 04:51 PM) | Unless you're Barca or Madrid then you're a selling club.
There's always a bigger club out there who takes your best players.
It's how football and the world works. |
I think it's all relative though, sure clubs sell but we seem to be a rather easy target these days, clubs know that none of our players are beyond signing even if we say they're not available.
Sometimes at knockdown prices.
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Which players are you talking about?
Hleb for example went to Barca. Hard to fend off Barca. Hleb wasn't very good anyway.
Toure and Whore. Well Toure was past it and Whore had given up playing for us so they had to go.
Most of our players are sold to bigger clubs. And that is how football tends to work. We manage to sign players because we're a bigger club than the club we're buying from.
Henry we gave away at £16m. That was crazy money. But he'd given his best years for us and had just divorced his wife - he wanted to get away. Barca was his dream move and I think we sacrificed some of the fee because of what he'd done for us.
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It's more the fact we lose players every season now, it's not the occasional one because we're getting a shedload of money.
Vieira remains a major example of that and the beginning of the downward spiral, captain of the team still a top player despite what some said (you only had to watch in the World Cup) and one of the world's top midfielders at the time, yet we sold him to Juve for what 13.75 million(that's peanuts).
Henry too went for peanuts when you consider other transfers round that time. Hleb I was happy about but once again not a great deal of money involved there.
Anyway my point is that clubs know that if they want one of our players they can get them and not necessarily for crazy money, it's not just that the pull of these clubs is so great but also that the pull of our club is no longer all that.
- We don't pay particularly big salaries
- We don't win trophies
- We don't really have any of the world's best players
- We don't invest in the team much
All of the above make it a lot easier for teams to sign our players.
Jack Will Score - September 28, 2009 05:43 PM (GMT)
tis a fair point and gw proves it - if you criticise wenger you are labelled a knee jerker disrespecting a pagan god and must be sacrificed accordingly to appease his wrath or he will leave these shores and then we'll be sorry*
* may include some hyperbole
Nayan - September 29, 2009 07:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 04:31 PM) |
| QUOTE (Syn @ Sep 28 2009, 04:25 PM) | | edit: Although Hleb was quality. |
Well yeah that's why lots of top clubs were queuing up to relieve him of his Barca nightmare.
Sublime close control and running with the ball. Probably one of the best I've ever seen. Sadly his passing and shooting was woeful, really woeful.
But thanks for the :goodpost:
:D
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hleb was quality -in the same sense that flamini, adebayor and even reyes were quality.
Lots of talent, application, whatever and therefore able to produce. But not right in the head, and therefore doomed to failure (probably).
Nayan - September 29, 2009 07:35 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maxzimus @ Sep 28 2009, 04:31 PM) |
| QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 05:22 PM) | | QUOTE (Maxzimus @ Sep 28 2009, 04:00 PM) | | QUOTE (Grebbo @ Sep 28 2009, 04:51 PM) | Unless you're Barca or Madrid then you're a selling club.
There's always a bigger club out there who takes your best players.
It's how football and the world works. |
I think it's all relative though, sure clubs sell but we seem to be a rather easy target these days, clubs know that none of our players are beyond signing even if we say they're not available.
Sometimes at knockdown prices.
|
Which players are you talking about?
Hleb for example went to Barca. Hard to fend off Barca. Hleb wasn't very good anyway.
Toure and Whore. Well Toure was past it and Whore had given up playing for us so they had to go.
Most of our players are sold to bigger clubs. And that is how football tends to work. We manage to sign players because we're a bigger club than the club we're buying from.
Henry we gave away at £16m. That was crazy money. But he'd given his best years for us and had just divorced his wife - he wanted to get away. Barca was his dream move and I think we sacrificed some of the fee because of what he'd done for us.
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It's more the fact we lose players every season now, it's not the occasional one because we're getting a shedload of money.
Vieira remains a major example of that and the beginning of the downward spiral, captain of the team still a top player despite what some said (you only had to watch in the World Cup) and one of the world's top midfielders at the time, yet we sold him to Juve for what 13.75 million(that's peanuts).
Henry too went for peanuts when you consider other transfers round that time. Hleb I was happy about but once again not a great deal of money involved there.
Anyway my point is that clubs know that if they want one of our players they can get them and not necessarily for crazy money, it's not just that the pull of these clubs is so great but also that the pull of our club is no longer all that.
- We don't pay particularly big salaries
- We don't win trophies
- We don't really have any of the world's best players
- We don't invest in the team much
All of the above make it a lot easier for teams to sign our players.
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henry went for what looks like a modest amount now beccasue (a) he looked like he was knackered and (b) his family situation didnt help him play his heart out.
I also suspect heis heart wasnt in it for that last year where we convinced him to stay in a id to keep bums on seats as we moved to the new new stadium.
Indeed he was panned for his first year a barca, with their brass on the record saying arsenal have pulled a fast one and 'whoever signed him deserves a slap.'
sure he is having an indian summer now, and good on him for doing so, but lets be balanced about what barca actually bought - it was by no means a clear winner at the time.