Title: Eduardo
otobeagoonahUSA - October 31, 2009 06:46 PM (GMT)
Not to be a down after such a great win but I see a problem with eduardo.
I feel like his lack of pace really hurts the team when he is in the side. He doesn't really fit with our playing style at the moment.
Is he just not performing well right now? Is it the formation we are playing?
I feel like wenger thinks he can play the wing ala henry could but eduardo cant seem to get around a fullback if his life depended on it.
I just dont see him getting in the squad with regularity with RVP playing so well up front. Bendtner is first choice certainly now along with Arshavin for the front 3.
It's too bad to waste such a talent but I dont see what else there is to do...
His future in my opinion is a super sub but i would rather play a fit walcott instead of eddie
Whatever - October 31, 2009 06:52 PM (GMT)
To early to tell..right now he's not really an option for a starting place
and yes, I don't think he will cut it as a wing player...should really place as the center forward
tbh I could see him moving next summer if he doesn't cement a starting place
Nayan - October 31, 2009 06:53 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (otobeagoonahUSA @ Oct 31 2009, 06:46 PM) |
Not to be a down after such a great win but I see a problem with eduardo.
I feel like his lack of pace really hurts the team when he is in the side. He doesn't really fit with our playing style at the moment.
Is he just not performing well right now? Is it the formation we are playing?
I feel like wenger thinks he can play the wing ala henry could but eduardo cant seem to get around a fullback if his life depended on it.
I just dont see him getting in the squad with regularity with RVP playing so well up front. Bendtner is first choice certainly now along with Arshavin for the front 3.
It's too bad to waste such a talent but I dont see what else there is to do...
His future in my opinion is a super sub but i would rather play a fit walcott instead of eddie |
i think the front three is rvp, arshavin plus one, and any number of players can play there. NObody has done enough to say they deserve that spot more than anyone else.
Incidentally, Arshavin didnt do that much today either.
CK's Korma - October 31, 2009 06:55 PM (GMT)
I think he just needs a goal to get going. His season has been too stop-start to really show us what he's capable of.
The one on one chance today though was a big howler, even a half fit, low on confidence striker should score there.
Start him against Alkmaar where we're likely to create shit loads of chances, so hopefully he can fill his boots.
otobeagoonahUSA - October 31, 2009 06:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Nayan @ Oct 31 2009, 06:53 PM) |
| QUOTE (otobeagoonahUSA @ Oct 31 2009, 06:46 PM) | Not to be a down after such a great win but I see a problem with eduardo.
I feel like his lack of pace really hurts the team when he is in the side. He doesn't really fit with our playing style at the moment.
Is he just not performing well right now? Is it the formation we are playing?
I feel like wenger thinks he can play the wing ala henry could but eduardo cant seem to get around a fullback if his life depended on it.
I just dont see him getting in the squad with regularity with RVP playing so well up front. Bendtner is first choice certainly now along with Arshavin for the front 3.
It's too bad to waste such a talent but I dont see what else there is to do...
His future in my opinion is a super sub but i would rather play a fit walcott instead of eddie |
i think the front three is rvp, arshavin plus one, and any number of players can play there. NObody has done enough to say they deserve that spot more than anyone else.
Incidentally, Arshavin didnt do that much today either.
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Bendtner is really showing me something though.
He has great pace, long legs and can win balls in the air easily over shorter fullbacks.
Hold up play is great. Hope hes not out too long with the groin injury...
Milla - October 31, 2009 06:57 PM (GMT)
Agreed with CK's Korma.. nomnomnom.. :good:
Ach - October 31, 2009 06:58 PM (GMT)
Would this thread exist if he had taken one of his three chances?
Nothing much wrong.
Hes getting the chances and he'll score his fair share.
CK's Korma - October 31, 2009 07:01 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ach @ Oct 31 2009, 06:58 PM) |
Would this thread exist if he had taken one of his three chances?
Nothing much wrong.
Hes getting the chances and he'll score his fair share. |
That's just like saying after we lose, "would this thread exist had we won?"
You judge things on what happened, not what might of been.
otobeagoonahUSA - October 31, 2009 07:02 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ach @ Oct 31 2009, 06:58 PM) |
Would this thread exist if he had taken one of his three chances?
Nothing much wrong.
Hes getting the chances and he'll score his fair share. |
I just feel the consensus before the season was a fit eduardo was a shoe in to start. Now, it looks like bendtner and walcott are ahead of him, due to the style of football this team is playing
Ach - October 31, 2009 07:04 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (CK's Korma @ Oct 31 2009, 07:01 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ach @ Oct 31 2009, 06:58 PM) | Would this thread exist if he had taken one of his three chances?
Nothing much wrong.
Hes getting the chances and he'll score his fair share. |
That's just like saying after we lose, "would this thread exist had we won?"
You judge things on what happened, not what might of been.
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Point is, hes getting the chances.
As long as that keeps happening, im happy enough.
He'll score his fair share.
Not every player has to be exceptionally quick. Eduardos quick enough as we saw in the Liverpool game
Milla - October 31, 2009 07:09 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ach @ Oct 31 2009, 08:04 PM) |
Point is, hes getting the chances.
As long as that keeps happening, im happy enough.
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It would be nice if you say the same thing to Bendtner :coffee:
St. Jimmy - October 31, 2009 07:11 PM (GMT)
I fucking love Eduardo, I really do.
I love him like a high class hooker after my bonus payment.
But he's clearly lost some of the sharpness he had pre-injury, but I guess that's to be expected.
It'll come with match practice.
Power_n_glory - October 31, 2009 07:32 PM (GMT)
Way too early for this sort of talk and I agree with Cripps. If Eddie would have buried his chances, I doubt this thread would be up.
Bendtner doesn't suite playing on the flanks and should be in around the box. He can't really pass and isn't the best dribbler. Fullbacks will always have an advantage over him. There is no point in having a height advantage out wide. Plus he hardly gets any chances when out wide. He scored his goal from being inside the box.
I'm not really sure how Eddie fits into our system but it's good to see that he got chances today. As far as the 3 up front only RVP seems to be finding his stride and that took him some time.
Arshavin, Eddie, Bendy, Eboue, Walcott aren't there yet and there are still questions about who plays where and whats the best combo.
bergkampwonderland10 - October 31, 2009 07:37 PM (GMT)
he's not match fit yet - but will be in the next couple of games. Just lacks his usual sharpness.
Maxzimus - October 31, 2009 07:38 PM (GMT)
The way I see it what he brought to the team was his ability to convert chances most times, right now he's not looking sharp at all and not converting and therefore he brings little to the table.
His 1st chance today was a simple lob but he was really indecisive which is unlike him in front of goal, last season he'd be deadly in that position...a one chance one goal striker.
bergkampwonderland10 - October 31, 2009 07:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maxzimus @ Oct 31 2009, 07:38 PM) |
The way I see it what he brought to the team was his ability to convert chances most times, right now he's not looking sharp at all and not converting and therefore he brings little to the table.
His 1st chance today was a simple lob but he was really indecisive which is unlike him in front of goal, last season he'd be deadly in that position...a one chance one goal striker. |
Yep - agreed.
Just needs games and he'll get back to that. He's a born striker.
JackTheLad19 - October 31, 2009 07:42 PM (GMT)
He needs games imo...unfortunately whenever its looked like he'll get some time this season he's picked up an injury.
Bendtner's injury means he's one of the prime candidates to fill in wide left.
otobeagoonahUSA - October 31, 2009 07:45 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Power_n_glory @ Oct 31 2009, 07:32 PM) |
Way too early for this sort of talk and I agree with Cripps. If Eddie would have buried his chances, I doubt this thread would be up.
Bendtner doesn't suite playing on the flanks and should be in around the box. He can't really pass and isn't the best dribbler. Fullbacks will always have an advantage over him. There is no point in having a height advantage out wide. Plus he hardly gets any chances when out wide. He scored his goal from being inside the box.
I'm not really sure how Eddie fits into our system but it's good to see that he got chances today. As far as the 3 up front only RVP seems to be finding his stride and that took him some time.
Arshavin, Eddie, Bendy, Eboue, Walcott aren't there yet and there are still questions about who plays where and whats the best combo. |
IMO bendtner is a great dribbler with underrated skill. It not traditional to play a tall striker on the wing but i think AW has got it right by doing so. From the wing, bendtner can boss fullbacks in the air and hold up play and distribute. He can also run at defenders with pace as we've seen. It also gives us more fluidity because he can interchange with RVP and Arshavin so the opponents back 4 doesnt know who's marking who. He can then go central and play a traditional tall lone striker role if the game permits.
Eduardo gives Wenger none of those options.
McNamara That Ghost... - October 31, 2009 08:04 PM (GMT)
He has just had his confidence knocked due to being in the bottom two of the X-Factor last week.
:good:
Power_n_glory - October 31, 2009 08:28 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (otobeagoonahUSA @ Oct 31 2009, 07:45 PM) |
| QUOTE (Power_n_glory @ Oct 31 2009, 07:32 PM) | Way too early for this sort of talk and I agree with Cripps. If Eddie would have buried his chances, I doubt this thread would be up.
Bendtner doesn't suite playing on the flanks and should be in around the box. He can't really pass and isn't the best dribbler. Fullbacks will always have an advantage over him. There is no point in having a height advantage out wide. Plus he hardly gets any chances when out wide. He scored his goal from being inside the box.
I'm not really sure how Eddie fits into our system but it's good to see that he got chances today. As far as the 3 up front only RVP seems to be finding his stride and that took him some time.
Arshavin, Eddie, Bendy, Eboue, Walcott aren't there yet and there are still questions about who plays where and whats the best combo. |
IMO bendtner is a great dribbler with underrated skill. It not traditional to play a tall striker on the wing but i think AW has got it right by doing so. From the wing, bendtner can boss fullbacks in the air and hold up play and distribute. He can also run at defenders with pace as we've seen. It also gives us more fluidity because he can interchange with RVP and Arshavin so the opponents back 4 doesnt know who's marking who. He can then go central and play a traditional tall lone striker role if the game permits.
Eduardo gives Wenger none of those options.
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Did you watch the Carling Cup game against Liverpool. He hasn't had a single good season down the flanks. He's not a bad dribbler but fullbacks should be able to deal with him all day because he isn't that quick or skillful.
Bendy is more deadly in the centre. What is the point of bossing fullbacks in the air when you've still got 30 - 40 yards to go to get a shot on goal?
It's better if he's in the centre using his height, power, skill around the box. Only would Arsene Wenger and Arsenal fans think playing him out wide is master stroke. Look how Carlton Cole was giving our CB's trouble last week on the edge of the box.
Would Ancelotti play Drogba on the wing? Would Capello put Heskey out wide for England so he can trouble a fullback? Never.
Put him in the centre so he's a handful and score goals like the one he did against Liverpool.
Injury Time - October 31, 2009 08:43 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (McNamara That Ghost... @ Oct 31 2009, 08:04 PM) |
He has just had his confidence knocked due to being in the bottom two of the X-Factor last week.
:good: |
:violin:
bit rusty, still getting in the right postions, as said before by others needs a clear run in the team :good:
otobeagoonahUSA - October 31, 2009 08:52 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Power_n_glory @ Oct 31 2009, 08:28 PM) |
| QUOTE (otobeagoonahUSA @ Oct 31 2009, 07:45 PM) | | QUOTE (Power_n_glory @ Oct 31 2009, 07:32 PM) | Way too early for this sort of talk and I agree with Cripps. If Eddie would have buried his chances, I doubt this thread would be up.
Bendtner doesn't suite playing on the flanks and should be in around the box. He can't really pass and isn't the best dribbler. Fullbacks will always have an advantage over him. There is no point in having a height advantage out wide. Plus he hardly gets any chances when out wide. He scored his goal from being inside the box.
I'm not really sure how Eddie fits into our system but it's good to see that he got chances today. As far as the 3 up front only RVP seems to be finding his stride and that took him some time.
Arshavin, Eddie, Bendy, Eboue, Walcott aren't there yet and there are still questions about who plays where and whats the best combo. |
IMO bendtner is a great dribbler with underrated skill. It not traditional to play a tall striker on the wing but i think AW has got it right by doing so. From the wing, bendtner can boss fullbacks in the air and hold up play and distribute. He can also run at defenders with pace as we've seen. It also gives us more fluidity because he can interchange with RVP and Arshavin so the opponents back 4 doesnt know who's marking who. He can then go central and play a traditional tall lone striker role if the game permits.
Eduardo gives Wenger none of those options.
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Did you watch the Carling Cup game against Liverpool. He hasn't had a single good season down the flanks. He's not a bad dribbler but fullbacks should be able to deal with him all day because he isn't that quick or skillful.
Bendy is more deadly in the centre. What is the point of bossing fullbacks in the air when you've still got 30 - 40 yards to go to get a shot on goal?
It's better if he's in the centre using his height, power, skill around the box. Only would Arsene Wenger and Arsenal fans think playing him out wide is master stroke. Look how Carlton Cole was giving our CB's trouble last week on the edge of the box.
Would Ancelotti play Drogba on the wing? Would Capello put Heskey out wide for England so he can trouble a fullback? Never.
Put him in the centre so he's a handful and score goals like the one he did against Liverpool.
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I don't know if you noticed but usually when bendtner is played up front as a central striker he ends up drifting out wide anyway, let other players come through the middle.
I'm saying he's a very versatile player and wenger is taking advantage. Drogba and cole are much different players than bendy. They thrive with their backs to goal. Bendy can do that but is also effective running at defenders.
Arsenal DOES NOT PLAY LIKE ENGLAND, WEST HAM OR CHELSEA. The way bendtner is playing now suits our system. and that is why eduardo is second to bendy now.
Milla - October 31, 2009 08:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JackTheLad19 @ Oct 31 2009, 08:42 PM) |
He needs games imo...unfortunately whenever its looked like he'll get some time this season he's picked up an injury.
Bendtner's injury means he's one of the prime candidates to fill in wide left. |
Arshavin wide left, Nasri wide right. :good:
Milla - October 31, 2009 09:01 PM (GMT)
lol.. Heskey is no not half as good as Bendtner. Drogba is Chelsea's best striker, why on earth would Ancelotti play him on the wing :coffee: