Before the start of the season, i had him down as winning player of the year.

But, turns out he's a lazy bitch. Was he always a lazy bitch, or has he learnt it while at Arsenal?

I guess he looks a bit lazy :unsure:


yeah, he's gone off the boil this season and while he had a few good games at the start he never looked the player he was for us last season.
He's working more in midfield, which is of course not a bad thing, but I would like him to have a free roll, so he can use his limited stamina on those explosives run.

I think the season in Russia lasts from March to November so maybe he carried some fatigue from last year's season, as he had a very short break in the winter.

He's due a rest anyway. He has looked fucked and mentally tired for quite some time. Why he gets 90 minutes again and again, I'm not sure.

his work rate is pretty poor to be honest. But he has thatn knack of producing something extraordinary every now and again in a matt le tissier stylee.

Seems his lungs are knackered from all that russian smog

Hard to say as I'd never heard of him.

He seems to be one of those players who doesn't seem to do much but then pops up with a brilliant goal like he did against Birmingham. Guess I can live with that.

Good player, but to me he's not on form at the moment. The other thing is sometimes he goes by himself too often when he should pass, having said all that he's always a goal threat even when not playing well.

I'm sure he'll be back in form sooner or later, as for his workrate it's not the best but it rarely is with the most creative players.

He hates training and looks out of breath in ten minutes. But players who look like they're struggling with fitness might not always do so. He's a fantastic player to have. But yeah, kinda lazy, though he's been improving his tracking back etc.

So there's an agreement that he's a bit lazy/maybe tired for other exertions.

Am i alone in thinking he could be the best player in the league if he wasnt a lazy bitch though?

I think he is lazy, but he also gets frustrated.

He thinks a bit quicker mentally than a lot of players in our side. A lot of what he does (including movement off the ball) is not spotted by some of our players.

Example: About 30 mins in to the derby, he pulled in from the wing, sat on Kings shoulder, and when we got the ball completely lost King. He was on for a ball down the middle, in absolute acres. Problem was, no-one spotted him, and he was hopping mad.

Links up well with Fabregas, not so much with RVP.

So overall, clever player, bit lazy, but also on a higher wavelength than most of our side.

You're telling me the best passing side in the world except Barca, cant keep uo with Arshavin?

Like Hleb used to in fact.

We play it short. A lot of the time he wants it long. His movement, when he can be arsed is terrific, but he's often ignored.

The telepathy isn't quite there with some of our players either. AA and RVP don't link up well.

He does look frustrated, maybe the 4-3-3 is not working for him, been a bit disapointing lately last few matches

No because Hleb just ran into blind alleys and didn't have a footballing brain.

Different class of player.

He is 1 step ahead of most players and sees things quick, but maybe sometimes he could just take that extra second or 2, on saturday when the ball came to him in the box, he had time to go forward a bit then shoot instead of hitting straight away, still a great player for us and so glad he plays for us.

yeah ok then Max

Pretty much. Hleb always made smart runs or smart passes, but his team mates weren't often on the same wavelength. Same for Arshavin. Both teriffic players.

:goodpost:

I don't care if it's Youtube, plenty of evidence to prove Hleb's intelligence and class on the ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z5hH3dgdf8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpXso14yVuU&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1K5vd7dYHw&feature=related

Hleb :bow:

Not heard anyone who knows a thing about football say a bad word about him.

:goodpost:

Says it all im afraid

Yeah he did well at Barca didn't he :haha:

Like I said it was evident from his headless chicken play the guy had no brain between his ears, you wouldn't run into blind alleys as much if you did.

Plus his shooting was awful and his passing (when he bothered) wasn't all that either, Youtube clips can make a one legged blind man look like a top footballer!

Seems to have only played 6 times for Stuttgart this season, unless he's injured that suggest he's not pulling any trees out there either.

Gotta love the way some of our players (former and current) are so overhyped on here.

always. But he used to turn it on. Now he just bides his time bitching about how everything would be better at barca.

I think he is the next adebayor. And I dont mean that in a good way

doubt itt. Not fit enough, even if he was bothered enough to work on it.
However having him in the team currently lifts the other players.

If it emans nasri has to work harder to dislodge him (before we sell him to barca anyway so much the better

Hleb, the best dribbler & runner in Arsenal history :bow:

hleb wasnt fit to lace brady's boots. Or pires'

Pires is the best left winger in the world :bow:

Hleb, the best dribbler & runner in Arsenal history :bow:

I meant specifically in the dribbling, sense, since - for me - dribbling hs to have some point to it if its a better option than passing the ball.

If I want to watch ball skills with no point, I'll watch a t-mobile advert or some such circus - show.

:lol:

You obviously never watched Limpar! When he dribbled he got somewhere and beat several men at the same time, but he was lazy.

I also think Arshavin is a better dribbler.

If you asked Helb to dribble all the way to the moon and back, you'd never seem him again as he'd keep dribbling in a straight line! :lol:

Pires got Bergkamp, Henry, PV4 and Ljunberg alongside him. Hleb got Diaby, Eboue, The whore, Denilson and Bapdigol. Hleb was surrounded by an average players when Pires got the best to help him.

Dont get me wrong, Pires is miles ahead on my fav players list. But Hleb dribbling skills are out of this world :good:

I think he lost the ball too easily personally, the best players dribble and then have an end product and rarely give the ball away cheaply.

He did it all the time. There's a reason his career is on the way down (1st with Barca now with Stuttgart) and that's because he's not as good as some think, he's never hit the heights of the top players (dribblers) simply because he isn't the complete package due to his lack of any footballing brain.

You are Hleb haters, your opinion doesnt count.. :whistle:

No I have no idea how good was Limpar :coffee:

:lol: I don't hate him, just think he's pretty pointless, as Nayan says what use is dribbling with no end product.

He may as well take a kids dribbling class because that's really all he does well. It's not just about having a few tricks it's about having the intelligence to use them well, a few years ago Ronaldo couldn't and was just called a show pony. Now he's learnt how to use them and is one of the best players in the world....Hleb is really just a show pony.

Hleb might not have done much with the ball but the space he created was invaluable for the others to play their game, there might not have been much direct end product but indirectly Hleb was doing a lot for the team.

It does look like Arshy is a bit of a lazy git at times but players with that level of ability tend to be a bit moody, I'm thinking he'll get into it more when it matters more tbh. He seems to like the big games so if others can do the shit against smaller teams and he can pick up the slack for the others we'll be alright.

he needs a reality-check, thinks hes made it.

the sooner walcott gets fit to add options on the wings the better.

Tracked back well on Saturday - seemed to play more like a midfielder than a forward. He also scores regularly so I'm happy with his role in the side.

fwiw, that was the one criticism of Arshavin when he was at Zenit, and the one warning that folks had about him for the Arsenal.

I don't think simply "laziness" is enough of an explanation, though. At least, if we're talking about competitive matches.

1. He is doing his fair share of tracking back. Whether he's effective at it (sometimes is, sometimes isn't) is a different question, having more to do with defensive smarts which are different from attacking smarts.

2. There's something to the "frustration about communication" argument. It was clear that v the spuds he was taking on defenders by himself more than he usually does, and more than he ought to do. I read this as him throwing up his hands and saying to his teammates, fine, if I can't get you to participate correctly in attack, I'll just do it myself.

3. He does look out of shape, so that would be laziness -- but laziness on the training pitch. I don't think there's any reason to think he tries less hard than other players in actual matches.

I heard the direct opposite.

1. If he does track back, i dont see how anyone can call him lazy then.

2. Again, this doesnt sound lazy and doesnt fit what i was told about the match and what i saw myself.

3. Why do you think Wenger is letting this slide considering he pretty much transformed the English mentality when it comes to fitness etc.

I'm finding it a bit difficult to reconcile his apparent disinterest with the form he showed for us last season. He seemed to be far more committed then, with less understanding of his teammates, and apparently far from being match fit. We all know what the problem was with Whore. What on earth can Arshavin's problem be? The only thing I can think of is that he's fecked off with his wages/the tax thing.

It's a double edged sword regarding his attack play for me, he's alwasy likely to get a goal out of nothing but at the same time as we saw on Saturday he sometimes takes a shot from a ridiculous angle when he should pass.

I still think he's a key player as he's one of the few players we have who can conjured up a bit of magic if things aren't working for us, in the big games he's one of the players who's most likely to turn a game.

His workrate isn't all that, but because he's so dangerous I'm minda willing to overlook that even if he really should be working harder at times, the fact is we don't have enough players of his ability to leave him out.

He's a flawed genius.