Do non-religious people like me celebrate christmas?, of course we do, after all it was nicked from pagan traditions...

..one thing that gets on my tits is the number of flaming christmas adverts on telly round this time :fury:

"This christmas buy this ...buy that... do this do that..." :censored:

arrrrrrgh!!!

..am i the only one annoyed by xmas ads? :angry:

Not really.

The people who go on about them do though.

I blame Islam

the commercialism of Christmas is something that probably angers Christians more than or at least as much as non Christians.

the coca cola christmas marketing scam tis idolatrous exploitative nonsense.

I agree, it's the best thing about xmas, tbh,
Well, that and celebrating the birth of Santa

:console:

Commercialism FTW.

Christmas. :bow:

Shouldn't be really.

They nicked it off the pagans, the tv/media execs nicked it off them.

What goes around, comes around.

Personally, I don't mind them, reminds me of being a kid again.

Merry yule!

i love christmas. in every sense.
but not until it's december.

:goodpost:

as a Christian I don't believe in the ott celebration of holy days (some go for that, I don't) but if Christmas is going to celebrated it should be for the birth of Christ or not at all imo, otherwise what is the point? call it merry I-wasted-my-money-so-I-could-show-off-and-also-got-drunk-and-argued-with-my-family day.

to be fair Christmas may have used the date and the trimmings of a pagan holiday but it never claimed to be a pagan holiday, the commercialised theft of Christmas hasn't seen a new belief announced just the old one sidelined and suppressed.

Keep BBC on.

Wait wait wait....

Are you trying to say the Christians weren't trying to sideline and suppress pagan beliefs??

:lol:

:popcorn:

Move over a bit mate. :popcorn:

I've brought the drinks as well. :nanacheers:

no just that commercialfest hasn't said it is anything different to Christmas, Christians never said Christmas was the same as the pagan holiday that happened on the same day.

You're damn right they didn't!

edit: Also, 'comercialfest' don't kill people if you don't believe what they tell you to believe.

Uncommericalised Christmas would suck tbh stories about some virgin getting up the duff by a mythical being

She only said she was a virgin because she didn't want people to know Joseph had been slipping her a length.

Even the whole "virgin" thing is often attributed (by sceptics possibly, or people who actually study languages + ancient texts) as a mistranslation

From some link:

You mean she wasnt inpregnated by a higher being

Oh incidently I saw them putting the Christmas lights up in town today

Well, she was impregnated by a man, so yeah...

Unless she used a turkey baster

This makes Christmas tbh
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDoDUC9M0Sg[/YOUTUBE]

It's literally the meaning of xmas.

are you suggesting that in 2000 years of Christianity no Christian academic has studied the translation properly?

have you read all the references to the virgin birth?

More importantly, have they started Xmas songs on the radio, music channels etc?

Nope, I prefer modern day fiction (tongue in cheek)

The bible, ultimately, is a 2000 year old scripted version of chinese whispers, which has been modified and changed over the years by various different cultures, to suit their agenda.

You sound religious, or possibly Christian, fair play to you, but we will have to agree to disagree when it comes to this matter, as faith compels you to believe what you believe/have been told, and never challenge it as it is the word of God.

No although we need one of these :music: with a santa hat on it

it's not a case of blindly following a package of chinese wispers.

The Bible is far more than that. The books of the New Testament were written within the lifetimes of the apostles in the first century. We have incredibly old copies of the originals and so can believe their authenticity without needing a blind leap of faith. There were multiple copies of letters to begin with (e.g. gospel's written out many times as they were sent out to Christians in the first century) but these all told the same thing. Where there was a difference it would only have been a matter of one over eager scribe mistranslating a word, in this case the wording used in the majority of copies was treated as the authentic word.

I do believe the Bible to be true but I do not believe it irrationally and without enquiring as to it's authenticity, especially when compared to other religious texts.

Yeah.


Also, Coca Cola's lovely.

yeah, nothing clears blood of tarmac better :good: (says the el salvadorian police, not serial killers weekly).

No you moron that's why they have Turkey for Thanksgiving :rolleyes:

Thanksgiving's just some stupid American holiday didnt exist back then

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/acid.asp

ffs everyone knows history started with the Boston Tea Party :creationist.gif:

I said el salvador

:haha: