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Title: Ideas for Devil Kings 2
Description: It wont happen,but still share your idea


Dian Wei dude - May 17, 2008 04:23 PM (GMT)
first of all the sb2 characters new names like Mitsuhide=Reaper

Keiji=Chill
Kotaro=Silhouette
Hanbei=Patience
Yoshimoto=Fool

And so on

New names for stages

Okehazama=Eliminating a fool
Sekigahara=Deciding the shogun
Kyushu=Yoshihiro a threat

and so on

sorry if this has been done

Red Knight - May 17, 2008 05:37 PM (GMT)
Kojuuro- Azure Swallow

Kyushu- Tropical Battle Ground

Sekigahara- Plain of Fate

SlickSlicer - May 17, 2008 07:07 PM (GMT)
IDEA: DON'T RELEASE THIS GARBAGE ON OUR PRISTINE SHORES.

SB WINS OVER DK.

DrewTheDude - May 17, 2008 09:01 PM (GMT)
Indeed. We don't need another DK.

Lord_Nagamasa - May 17, 2008 10:52 PM (GMT)
They might as well release "Squid Kings" instead of Devil Kings.

Sengoku Basara should STAY Sengoku Basara, if it even gets released outside of Japan.

DrewTheDude - May 18, 2008 04:51 AM (GMT)
Actually, Squid Kings would be totally awesome.

SlickSlicer - May 18, 2008 01:14 PM (GMT)
Keiji=Squid
Kotaro=Jsun
Hanbei=Calamari
Yoshimoto=Sea Arrow

And so on

New names for stages

Okehazama=Chaos Reef
Sekigahara=Ocean Beach
Kyushu=Blooper Land

Tesouken - May 18, 2008 04:06 PM (GMT)
and JUSTICE island. with as boss tokugawa=giant jellyfish.
naoe= stingray charlie -_-
mitsunari=a goldfish.

Lord_Nagamasa - May 18, 2008 04:42 PM (GMT)
Oh no..what have I begun?

Date Masamune= Azure Swordfish?

Sanada Yukimura= Flaming Turtle?

XD

Krat - May 19, 2008 03:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dian Wei dude @ May 17 2008, 06:23 AM)
first of all the sb2 characters new names like Mitsuhide=Reaper

Keiji=Chill
Kotaro=Silhouette
Hanbei=Patience
Yoshimoto=Fool

And so on

New names for stages

Okehazama=Eliminating a fool
Sekigahara=Deciding the shogun
Kyushu=Yoshihiro a threat

and so on

sorry if this has been done

Uh. Yoshimoto's DK counterpart is Muri.

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Indeed. We don't need another DK.


We sure as hell do.

SHUMA-GORATH - May 19, 2008 04:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Krat @ May 18 2008, 09:35 PM)


We sure as hell do.

Insert facepalming emote here.
...



Anyways.
Ideas for DK 2, even though it'll never happen:


Make "Puff" an NPC, and make "Lark" playable.
:wacko:

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 05:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Krat @ May 19 2008, 03:35 AM)
QUOTE (Dian Wei dude @ May 17 2008, 06:23 AM)
first of all the sb2 characters new names like Mitsuhide=Reaper

Keiji=Chill
Kotaro=Silhouette
Hanbei=Patience
Yoshimoto=Fool

And so on

New names for stages

Okehazama=Eliminating a fool
Sekigahara=Deciding the shogun
Kyushu=Yoshihiro a threat

and so on

sorry if this has been done

Uh. Yoshimoto's DK counterpart is Muri.

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Indeed. We don't need another DK.


We sure as hell do.

Obvious troll is obvious

Though I seriously hope they do just bring over a sequel or something to SB, and call it "Sengoku Basara" over here in the States. They don't need to give it its Japanese number because it would be the first Sengoku Basara game here.

SHUMA-GORATH - May 19, 2008 05:21 AM (GMT)
No, Hotpants Honda actually LIKES Devil Queens for some ungodly reason, not trolling.

Fayt - May 19, 2008 05:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SlickSlicer @ May 18 2008, 05:07 AM)
IDEA: DON'T RELEASE THIS GARBAGE ON OUR PRISTINE SHORES.

SB WINS OVER DK.

Better idea, release it just as SB2, and don't bother with the stupid DK changes. I'd like to play an English release of the Japanese SB, if that makes any sense. :/

Lord_Nagamasa - May 19, 2008 05:28 AM (GMT)
You'd think, with all the buzz for it outside of Japan, they'd give it another shot..but evidently not. :(

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 08:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fayt @ May 19 2008, 05:23 AM)
QUOTE (SlickSlicer @ May 18 2008, 05:07 AM)
IDEA: DON'T RELEASE THIS GARBAGE ON OUR PRISTINE SHORES.

SB WINS OVER DK.

Better idea, release it just as SB2, and don't bother with the stupid DK changes. I'd like to play an English release of the Japanese SB, if that makes any sense. :/

That's actually what I was trying to say.

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No, Hotpants Honda actually LIKES Devil Queens for some ungodly reason, not trolling.


If that's not trolling, I've lost a little more faith in humanity.

SHUMA-GORATH - May 19, 2008 08:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SlickSlicer @ May 19 2008, 02:31 AM)

If that's not trolling, I've lost a little more faith in humanity.

...Why do people keep saying that? Your faith in humanity was misplaced from the very beginning. You and WGXH and the 4 other people I've seen say that within 48 hours should have known better, oi.
:wub:

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 09:07 AM (GMT)
I have no idea. It might be because I was reading up on a 4chan thread earlier where some troll pretended to be a gaialover/naruto watcher, and someone replied with something similar to that. I guess I generally did sorely misplace my trust with human kind.

Tesouken - May 19, 2008 11:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fayt @ May 19 2008, 05:23 AM)
QUOTE (SlickSlicer @ May 18 2008, 05:07 AM)
IDEA: DON'T RELEASE THIS GARBAGE ON OUR PRISTINE SHORES.

SB WINS OVER DK.

Better idea, release it just as SB2, and don't bother with the stupid DK changes. I'd like to play an English release of the Japanese SB, if that makes any sense. :/

You guys should go to war against capcom, ill do the intelligence since i wholeheartly agree.

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I have no idea. It might be because I was reading up on a 4chan thread earlier where some troll pretended to be a gaialover/naruto watcher, and someone replied with something similar to that. I guess I generally did sorely misplace my trust with human kind.

4chan is as factual as wikipedia son. Dont get your intellectualbox full of lies.
its lies.

BlackKite - May 19, 2008 11:30 AM (GMT)
I'll support direct SB translation if and ONLY IF Capcom doesn't screw up the naming order... but that is Highly Unlikely knowing what they did to Onimusha. <_<

(The correct name order in SBX is better credited to Arc System Works instead of Capcom)

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 01:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BlackKite @ May 19 2008, 11:30 AM)
I'll support direct SB translation if and ONLY IF Capcom doesn't screw up the naming order... but that is Highly Unlikely knowing what they did to Onimusha. <_<

(The correct name order in SBX is better credited to Arc System Works instead of Capcom)

Jesus dude, you are like the most obsessive-compulsive person ever when it comes to this. Holy christ, a name is just a name. Technically, according to Western traditions, the naming order makes FAR more sense in the 'First name, Last name' order anyways. It's just a difference in culture. I use the Japanese in English phoenetics way anyways, but of all things to be concerned of in a game, why would you care about the naming order? It's just a label after all. And no, the difference between Devil Kings and Sengoku Basara is not just a labeling difference as well. >_<

Do you have like a knee-jerk reaction where whenever you see names in a variation different from the Japanese way, you automatically go into ura[nus] mode and throw a clot, or something?

BlackKite - May 19, 2008 01:25 PM (GMT)
Honestly, I wouldn't have this ura nonsense if I never learned that prominent history games like Age of Empires, Civilization and Total War can use the 'correct' order. -_- I really weeped when finding out that KOEI 'screwed up' even NobuAmb Rise to Power, a game which is supposed to be a contestant to the aforementioned games. Just what the hell is wrong with this company's localization team?? :(

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 02:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BlackKite @ May 19 2008, 01:25 PM)
Honestly, I wouldn't have this ura nonsense if I never learned that prominent history games like Age of Empires, Civilization and Total War can use the 'correct' order. -_- I really weeped when finding out that KOEI 'screwed up' even NobuAmb Rise to Power, a game which is supposed to be a contestant to the aforementioned games. Just what the hell is wrong with this company's localization team?? :(

For one thing, there is no correct order. It ain't a matter of right and wrong, to be fair. It's not like something like gravity where you can say it definitely exists and is correct, whereas if you said there is no gravity on Earth, you'd be wrong. With the translation of anything, there is bound to be a few different opinions. I've seen Ieyasu's name as Iyeyasu for instance. The second version isn't wrong; it's just another way of phoenetically displaying the Japanese kanji equivalent of the name.

Whether it's first name, last name or last name, first name is just a matter of whether Koei wants to translate the Japanese name and Westernize the order or translate the Japanese name and leave it in the Eastern order.

Neo Juste Belmont - May 19, 2008 02:24 PM (GMT)
Well there's only one way to answer that. Send an e-mail to Koei/Capcom localization team and ask why.

Until we get a clear answer, guess we'll have to just stuff it with BK's antics. Once you get the hang of it, it's actually hilarious and fun.

Crimsondramon - May 19, 2008 02:26 PM (GMT)
It really doesn't matter whether the first or last name comes in front, as long as the name is correct...that's all that matters.

Neo Juste Belmont - May 19, 2008 02:27 PM (GMT)
But apparently, for BlackKite, it matters a LOT.

I'm guessing that when he's little... he takes Japanese lesson, and then his teacher made it clear that using last name-first name order for pre-Meiji era Japanese is a must, first name-last name order is disrespectful...

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 02:28 PM (GMT)
Yeah, maybe they'll actually listen to his DW suggestions and add Pu Cheng, Ai Deng, and Hua Liao in Dynasty Warriors 7. I also can't wait for Arc of Joan, and Prince Black to return in Bladestorm 2.

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I'm guessing that when he's little... he takes Japanese lesson, and then his teacher made it clear that using last name-first name order for pre-Meiji era Japanese is a must, first name-last name order is disrespectful...Blackkite then proceeds to do it wrong and teacher goes into ura mode, which at that time meant grabbing a broom and beating Blackkite senseless with it while the teacher yelled ura, ura, URA FOOL FOR NOT USING THE RIGHT ORDER! Blackkite then would have ura and the "right" naming order forever ingrained in his head.


fixed.

Crimsondramon - May 19, 2008 02:31 PM (GMT)
For a second, I didn't know what Slick was talking about....XD

I'm learning japanese too, but my teacher never stressed about Last-First than First-Last...even though he's like 70+ years old??

Neo Juste Belmont - May 19, 2008 02:36 PM (GMT)
Speaking of that, I don't mean suggesting 'Ai Deng' etc...

Just ask why for the Japanese version, they use first name-last name order, while for Chinese, it's last name-first name.

But... things like this should be taken to another topic. It's getting really off......... (I do get annoyed at first, but I learn to get a hang of it, and I find it kinda hilarious, you know... Rather than going against the flow, why not just go along with it, Slick?)

On topic, though, why rename something that has been already decided? Yoshimoto is Muri in DK. And... just naming something based on personality, I think it needs something that gives more 'Oomph!' than just... 'Silhouette'? How about 'Creeper' or something?

Crimsondramon - May 19, 2008 02:38 PM (GMT)
But it's fun to go against the flow...right Slick?

Anyways..back to topic!

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 02:46 PM (GMT)
Yep, Crimson.

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Speaking of that, I don't mean suggesting 'Ai Deng' etc...

Just ask why for the Japanese version, they use first name-last name order, while for Chinese, it's last name-first name.

But... things like this should be taken to another topic. It's getting really off......... (I do get annoyed at first, but I learn to get a hang of it, and I find it kinda hilarious, you know... Rather than going against the flow, why not just go along with it, Slick?)

On topic, though, why rename something that has been already decided? Yoshimoto is Muri in DK. And... just naming something based on personality, I think it needs something that gives more 'Oomph!' than just... 'Silhouette'? How about 'Creeper' or something?


That's exactly it. It really doesn't matter if the Pinyin was reversed so that Bei Lu, Cao Cao [lol same] and Quan Sun were the three kingdoms rulers. It would annoy the piss out of people, but that's just because it's something people aren't used to. But still, it's just an alternate way of translating a name. :/

And the reason why this thread derailed is because quite a few of us don't want dk2 to be a game. I'd much rather they just port over and translate future SB sequels directly.

Tesouken - May 19, 2008 03:07 PM (GMT)
its liu pei actually according to my teacan. -_-

But i must disagree with slick this time, i find (at least japanese names not chinese... is that even backwardablingable anyway?) nobunaga oda sounds just completely wrong...
just as ieyasu tokugawa... come on now its a japanese game use japanese friggin names and not westernisations by it, if i want to hear gey western names ill play marvel ultimate alliance with CAPTAI N AMERICAamericaamerica (echo)

:unsure:

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 03:27 PM (GMT)
Liu Pei is the Wade-Giles translation version. Liu Bei is the Pinyin version. Like I said, different translation of the same thing. It's just a matter of preference. Most people prefer Pinyin now, which is why that name sticks in people's minds more.

Lord_Nagamasa - May 19, 2008 03:52 PM (GMT)
Back on topic! Hanbei should be something like "Dark Minion" and Hideyoshi should be "Primal Fury"..so then, Hanbei could say "U R SUCH A ANIMAL!" to him!

SlickSlicer - May 19, 2008 04:42 PM (GMT)
I agree completely but only if Insp. Chin gets mentioned in the credits.

Dian Wei dude - May 19, 2008 07:38 PM (GMT)
good ones lord_nagamasa

oichi=dark soul
Nagamasa=livelyness

SHUMA-GORATH - May 19, 2008 07:46 PM (GMT)
Uh. I agree with Slick. Geez, get over it already, brotherman. O_o


Also, lulz@Chin being Hanbei and me being Hideyoshi. >:)

sad555 - May 20, 2008 09:17 AM (GMT)
Nobunaga = ununderstandable

Astus - May 20, 2008 11:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (sad555 @ May 20 2008, 09:17 AM)
Nobunaga = ununderstanable

Nobunaga is the Devil King himself, so there would be no need for a new name.
Though what exactly do you mean by "ununderstanable"?

Lord_Nagamasa - May 20, 2008 04:36 PM (GMT)
ununderstandable -unable to understand. (I think..?)

He may have been making a Squid Kings name for him. I'd go with either Devil Squid or Shark King :)




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