Clones aside (the clones dont bother me one bit) are there any characters in 6 you do NOT like to use at all???
for me it is Dong Zhuo and Zhang Jiao, lo and behold the same 2 in every installment!! but just in 6 i cant NOT stand their look! Dong the most! but i want to get everyone to 50, so Dong is currently on lvl 37 with 0 kills! been using him sitting on a find saddle steed while i lvl up another character! will do the same with Jiao too!
just wanted to hear others thoughts on who they dislike to play or refuse to play!!

No offense to a Xiahou Dun fan...but him. I completed his musou and got him to level 50, but, I didn't really enjoy using him at all, especially compared to his DW5/WO personality and combat style. In 6 the main plus point in him is his range, but because of just how kind of similar and emotionless all his attacks look (once again, its just my opinion), and his personality losing his hot-tempered persona which we all grew to love, I'm upset to say so.

Other than him, nobody, I even really enjoyed using the new Dian Wei in this game even if all he got was curses by various fans. Back then I wouldn't of predicted me being here and saying this about him now. I'm glad. Though I'm still not fond of his appearance that much.

Yah i can understand your point on Dun i can see how alotta ppl didnt like the change, epic speed to slow lumpin! i still thought he was an OX tho, with a Power weapon and his special attack i thought the new Dun rocked i his own right! but yah he did lose his edge a lil i admit that!! i guess ima Dun fanboi lol!
Dian Wei i thought the idea of the ball and chain was a really good change til i used him, the no reach even with a standard weapon and slow movement/ attack speed make him frustrating to use in master +! i still enjoyed lvlin him and that just tryin to farm better weapons for him on master+ made it too frustrating

I think my only complaints are probably historically related.

Xu Zhu was not retarded >.> He was one of Cao Cao's most able bodyguards, next to only Dian Wei. I was a bit appaled at the lack of respect for his character there. And Zhang He =/ He was nothing like that at all. I understand they wanted to create diversity but they could have been a little better about honoring some characters properly instead of making them the 'dunce' corner of DW.

Zhang He in DW is far from a dunce. Just because he has behaviours that betray the gender roles forced on him because of his genetalia does not mean he is a dunce nor does it mean he is being demonized.

DW characters =/= direct historical representations. It's an adaptation of a fictional adaptation of history.

lol the real Zhang He would be rolling over in his grave! :P immotalized in video games as a flammer !
am lookin forward too seeing the motion capture for his claws tho! hope they give it a complete fix, ive always found him to be to clunky

to be honest, i loved using him when he had the claws, theyre far more unique, and well, really, with weapons like that, the moveset to go with it is sure to be interesting :)

hmm on DW6, i dont like using Xiahou Dun or Dian Wei, theyre just far too slow, and i just hate using overly slow characters...those two i think are the only ones i dont really like using... :mellow:

Hmm, I love using Xiahou Dun and Dian Wei in 6, which I suppose puts me in the minority here. Once you discover what works best with each character, there really is no bad character to use in 6, IMO.

Except Ma Chao, that is. Even with the best weapon with the best skills you can get, his lack of any crowd clearing moves and range make him a chore to play as.

yah thats why the clones are not all the same, Sun Ce is awesome at crowd control, your right i was a lil let down with Ma Chao too for the same reason.
and... Xiahou Dun ftw :)

Shouldn't this be put in the DW6 section or maybe Stickied... :mellow:
Anyways, Xiahou Dun was a dissapointer in this game, he lost his speed for longer reach, but hes just to slow now which is a problem, takes time to use in this game.
Well, anyone with a Staff or Club moveset aren't fun to use at all for me.

I like using Xiahou Dun. I have nice Skill Weapon with high attack power and nice abilities ^_^ So he is not so slow at all.

I don't like using Dian Wei. I just got him to Lvl 50 and that was it. Also I don't like the club moveset,and I still have to do Dong Zhuo and Huang Gai <_< And I don't like staff users. I played with Pang Tong and didn't like the moveset.

didnt you point out my last topic and got it locked? is it harmful to have a topic goin regardless where it may be? seriously! the sun jian v lei bei thing was a character creative design topic not a single character discussion.

anyway on topic now, with Dun in 6 hes more for a skilled player now then a starter character which is what he has always been in past instalments! fast paced and quick movement made him an ideal beginners choice! now with 6 he takes alot more skill and control to use on the harder difficulties and i for one being a huge fan of him liked this and thought it to be a good change! any good 90+ weapon with flash, air wave and the increase mouse strength one(name of it has slipped my mind just got home from work and am very tired), on either a standard or power weapon make him just as much as a monster as his scimitar modle if you know how to use him! ive chalked up 50k kills on him so id say ive mastered him and think he is still the best character in DW, as well as havin the most imposing weapon in the game!

(now i hope this wont offened anyone coz it wasnt in the 'Dun section' its just a reply to a topic i started :P)

I used to use Dun alot before, now I still use him but battles on harder difficulties go downhill for me when I use him, hes one of those characters that needs a good Skill Weapon, which I don't have, though I have scored a minor 1000 kills with him, even on Lv 50, he has alot of trouble with Master Difficulty stages so its not as easy to use him for me now. -_-
No one else besides Club users and Staff users really come in mind for me.

DW6...
Well, Ma Chao really comes to mind when I think of this topic.
When you compare him to the other spear users, he is the least affective.
Plus, I hate his armor, it's not "splendid" enough, like his other suits.
Him...and Dong Zhou. I didn't like him too much in the other DW games.
I found him usable in WO.
But now...he's horrible. I find him the worse of the clubbers.

That's about it.

(Zhuge Liang's amazingly cheap.)

Thing i miss the most about Ma Chao is his Horse charge attack, now that thing owned on shadow runner!! i was hoping to see it in XL but i guess i can forget about that now <.<

Dian Wei. he's horribly designed(Polynesian tattoo in China? his armor looks like it's from Doom, not feudal China and he's just facially grotesque). even leveled up, his moveset is awkward and a CHORE to use, the wrecking ball itself is WAY too exaggerated. he's simply no good in my book.

Actually, I enjoyed playing as Dian Wei, though I prefer his axe, he has a pretty interesting moveset still and I got lucky and got a Skill Weapon with Ice, Flash and Berserk, works great in Crowds. :lol:

Dian Wei, Xiahou Dun, Huang Gai, and...LU BU.
Ugh, Lu Bu is horrible in this game.

Gameplay-wise Lu Bu is not horrible but just not as effective as he use to be. But when was that? He's been long dying, like being tormented slowly over the years. Seriously. I even have a hunch that they gave him new black scary armour to give hope of his revival, and it didn't pay off in the end.

His armour looks threatening and his range is not too bad, its just that with the new Renbu system they've made his attacks such as his two specials - for just show and flare. And as I've said before, this applies to most of the characters. Koei probably wanted to replace effective moves with ineffective just to make him look cool. :lol:

Remember this is just my opinion, Lu Bu fans.

Ive always loved Lu Bu's wide attack range arc, but it looked horrendously ugly! and i dont mind the new Lu Bu either! just feel his weapon should have been one set in concrete since a halberd is what he was known for using, with is cross halbers, id guess they would be , i just think he isnt as dealy, still fun to play as but slipped way down the ladder for me in terms of faves to use!

I probably didnt even use about 1/3 of the characters. But the two I had the hardest time with were Xiahou Dun and Dian Wei. They were both very annoying and slow.

Xiao Qiao (Though I never liked using her in past games), Huang Zhong, Zhou Tai, & Huang Gai.

Xiao Qiao, because she's just so freakin' weak and has horrible durability. I played Invasion of Xu Chang, Sun Ce's forces with her on Easy difficulty. I was level 1, but I thought "It's an easy battle. It won't be difficult." Boy, was I wrong. I went back to fight Xiahou Dun & Yuan, and was cut down in 4 hits. Xiahou Dun cut me down in 4 hits on EASY difficulty, while I barely layed a scratch on him. That's ridiculous.

Huang Zhong, because IMO his sword moveset goes best with Xiahou Yuan and it's awkward with the other 2 characters who use it.

Zhou Tai, for the same reason as Huang Zhong.

Huang Gai, because he's the worst of club characters, and his walk is not in is character.

The rest of the cast falls under "love to use" or "like to use".

I actually got Huang Zhong to Lv 30 befeore I stopped playing, he wasn't bad for me but his speed is horrendous, so a Skill Weapon is needed for him.
Zhou Tai seemed worse than Huang Zhong and Xiahou Yuan, his moves were extremely frontal while the other two had a few Crowd attacks namely their Elemental Musou Finisher.
Huang Gai lost it in this, he wasn't even good at bashing an enemy with pure force, seriously he was ruined in this game like most club characters. :(

Musou Mode Characters
Gan Ning
Something I just dont like about this guy on DW6. He again just seems like an inferior Zhang Liao IMO. He hits enough of the screen with a Standard weapon, but with his still short reach he gets hit and interupted too much. Plus his special doesnt last as long as some of the other True Speed characters.

Dian Wei
Lets be honest, short range with alot of power. But the agility and skill of a mace doesnt really suit a large man like Dian Wei. His Charge string isnt that bad for movement and crowd clearing, but he doesnt have all of the better enhancements on Swift Attack like Cao Ren and Guan Yu do to make it more effective.

Clones
Lu Meng
Great new look, garbage compared to the rest of the halberds, which are the better clone MS in the game. Particularly because he has Rockfall, but his effects on his MS are really lame explosions. Xu Huang has them as well, but True Speed is the better Tome.

The Sword MS (Quan, Pi, & Shao)
Their only redeeming quality is that they all have Volley, which is great for building Renbu fast. And Quan also has Horsemanship. But the MS is very short area of effectiveness, and the charge string is lame as can be. Cao Pi can be good with infinite Renbu and and Ice weapon, but thats about it.

OMG are you mad, those points haven't been takin into much consideration. Lu Meng had an amazing Halberd moveset, at least he had effects aded to him with the fire, it adden some uniqueness and highlighted that we wont be being de-cloned. At least he had effects, Guan Ping was zero, he had nothing, if not a flashy light at the end of an attack, thats worse, those little arms of Pings are shocking. An Dian Wei, fair point, but what other weapon can he have, he has never been made historically accurate so the Chain and Ball dosn't matter. Gan Ning had the highest attack for a majority of the characters, if not all of Wu, his range is fine with the standard weapon, but he is easily interrupted which is another fair point. An despite being blamed as bias, there was far worse movesets than Mengs -_- , and perhaps Dian Weis.

I agree. Dian Wei is very powerful once you level him up and learn the tactics you need to play as him. I think the main reason people get frustrated playing as him is that they try to use him how they would someone like Zhao Yun or Zhang Liao. With Dian Wei, you can't just dive into a sea of enemies. You have to plan your attacks so that you don't get stabbed to death from behind. The main tactic to use is to start up his T string before you actually get to the crowd you want to kill so that they don't interrupt you before you get it off. Once you start charging, you're practically invincible, and the only real way you can get hit is by one of the catapults. Now, for officers, stop the T Chain before you get to the large ground blast at the end and juggle them to death with your S string.

If you do happen to find yourself in the middle of a large crowd, roll out of it instead of fighting if you're on one of the two hardest modes. Anything below it, and you should be able to just power out.

points taken. i WILL say(as you mentioned), that i pretty much spammed his charge move repeatedly to get through clusters of enemies. i just see his range of movement as terrible and slow, i realize that that stupid ball is heavy, but often it seems like a beach ball, while other times like a boulder. point being the moveset does not appear realistic to me. if KOEI had reduced the size of the ball to melon-sized, i'd have thought it more believeable, and given him a better, wider range of motion i might have been less annoyed. and my model comments still stand, he's badly designed.

Gan Ning is not one I would want to choose, but he is one I do end up choosing whenever I play the game. I don't know why I choose him over and over, it must be the moveset speed, since I'm not fond of his appearance (finally the bells chime though) and his voice...really was a shock to the system...

He is awesome at being level 50 with incredible speed and his body split ability when you purchase it. It takes ages for him to get stopped whilst mindlessly attacking.

Still, DW3 Gan Ning is the greatest and my most favorite version of all-time.

Xiahou Dun i cannot stand his new weapon, i miss his old schmiter

Indeed, his musou was so much easier to control, and with true musou on him he would tear thru anything!! couldnt for the life of me work out why Koei changed him in 4!
in 6 i think he is awesome, with a standard weapon his range is pretty damn good for the speed he puts out!!

Really? I understand where you're coming from, as I kinda miss his Schmitar too, but I really enjoy his new weapon. I mean, it's Xiahou Yuan's club attached to a pole! What's not to love? I really enjoy playing as him in this game because of his weapon and moveset.

And I'll throw my opinion of Dian Wei into the ring. I personally like him better in DW6 than I ever have before. He was always that guy with a small Xu Huang axe to me. Don't get me wrong, I really liked him before, but he never stood out as "The" guy to go to. In fact, he's one of the only characters in DW5 that I haven't unlocked his alt costumes. But in DW6, he has a new kickass weapon which is just so cool. I really like his new armor (Since he finally has armor; I've always believed that Dian Wei should be one of the characters in the game to have some sweet armor) and that tattoo looks cool on him. Moveset wise, I like using him. He may not have excellent range, but he's powerful and that's really all I need.

i haven't been all the character yet well to be honest on the others list only Lu Bu and Diao Chan there are plenty of others but by looks i would have to say

Dong Zhuo, Yuan Shao, Zhang Jiao only because he's always been weak, Zhen Ji thats about it

Dong Zhuo. hes fat, hes ugly, he'll never get a girl friend, and when he talks his third chin wiggles, very disturbing

For me it is the two guys I struggled with in their musou modes. Dian Wei and Xiahou Dun. I felt I would never get through Guan Du or Chang Ban with Dian Wei, he is slow, his attacks dont consistantly hit their target and my defence was constantly broken through.
Xiahou Dun at first look, I thought his weapon was going to be awesome, but without the good moveset it just plain sucked. He was way too slow, and the way his moveset was performed was not ideal for him, I very much struggled to get through his musou mode. And sure people put up the excuse, :rolleyes: that he gets a lot better when leveled up, well duh, everyone does, but what defines a good character is whether they can kick ass from the start and Xiahou Dun clearly can not.

I must agree with Captain Red Text. Lu Meng is not only unique, but very good. His projectiles are auto fire and they explode, but if you have another element on the weapon, his actual swings can trigger say...lighting AND fire on some moves like his hold T.



Aaaand.
After playing the game for months, I can without a doubt say Sun Quan is better than Cao Pi (and of course Yuan Shao). Cao Pi was more unique, but that uniqueness was a double edged blade. Sun Quan's hold T=massive. Cao Pi's=not. The T chain for that moveset sucks in close range+crowd combat due to its slow and clunky first few hits, so using Sun Quan's double projectile at a distance can be useful. I so hope Yuan Shao doesn't get that moveset come DW6, as his version freaking blows. Well, him sucking fits, I guess.

I LOVE Dian Wei and Xiahou Dun's a bit boring, but okay. Just because they don't play like Zhao Yun or Zhang Fei doesn't mean they're crap. Besides, Dian Wei is by no means a dumb fighter if you play him well.

Probably my least favourite... Huang Gai... haven't even used him yet. Level 1... haha.

I generally don't like the halberd moveset so I rarely if ever use any of them.
I pretty much never touched any of the Other characters other than Diao Chan and Lu Bu.
The dao moveset is also pretty disappointing so the 3 swordsman are also out. I still have no clue how I managed to get Zhou Tai to level 50 given how much I don't like the moveset.
Then there's Huang Gai. Certainly got the short end of the club stick.