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CHTHON - June 7, 2006 07:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tyrano Thierem @ Jun 6 2006, 06:56 AM)
I agree 169.7%

If the girl gets pregnant and won't have an abortion, she'll have a fatal accident. So I'm very capable of dealing with the consequences. I just ain't sure if she is.

QueenieKai - June 8, 2006 12:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CHTHON @ Jun 8 2006, 05:34 AM)
If the girl gets pregnant and won't have an abortion...

Abortion is illegal in some countries.

CHTHON - June 8, 2006 02:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (QueenieKai @ Jun 7 2006, 06:04 PM)
Abortion is illegal in some countries.

Hence she'll have a fatal accident...

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She wouldn't fuck your ass with a 39 1/2 foot pole.  Like most girls on the forum, she hates you.
You think they have a choice? :ese:

melie - June 8, 2006 02:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CHTHON @ Jun 7 2006, 09:13 PM)

You think they have a choice? :ese:

You can drop dead at any given moment. Go ahead, I'll laugh my fucking ass off, and so will every other girl you fucked over.

Bob Dole - June 8, 2006 02:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (QueenieKai @ Jun 7 2006, 06:04 PM)
Abortion is illegal in some countries.

Abortion should be illegal.

Hey_dude - June 8, 2006 02:26 AM (GMT)
Abortion should be Objectivly illegal.


Besides, Why bring a child into a poverty stricken family that already has too many chilren that it can't support.

Sephious - June 8, 2006 02:27 AM (GMT)
That's what adoption is for, stupid. There are more people out there who want children but can't have them than there are children up for adoption.

EDIT: Plus, it's not usually the poverty-stricken families that are aborting. It's the stupid teens who don't know how to use birth control. Or, better yet, who don't know how to stop fucking.

Citin - June 8, 2006 02:45 AM (GMT)
The main problem is that everyone only wants to adopt babies, this fucks over the older kids

Cheamo - June 8, 2006 05:42 AM (GMT)
The main problem is sex.

QueenieKai - June 8, 2006 06:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CHTHON @ Jun 8 2006, 12:13 PM)
Hence she'll have a fatal accident...

Why? Are going to murder her in her sleep or something?


EDIT: I think abortion should only be done under special circumstances. If the mother was going to die giving birth to the baby for one, another example would be if they couldn't support the child. It would be completely cruel to bring a baby into the world if you can't support the baby.

CHTHON - June 8, 2006 11:31 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (QueenieKai @ Jun 8 2006, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE (CHTHON @ Jun 8 2006, 12:13 PM)
Hence she'll have a fatal accident...

Why? Are going to murder her in her sleep or something?


EDIT: I think abortion should only be done under special circumstances. If the mother was going to die giving birth to the baby for one, another example would be if they couldn't support the child. It would be completely cruel to bring a baby into the world if you can't support the baby.


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My you are quick. Yes, that is what I was saying.

But no, not really. I just tell girls from the upstart if she does get pregnant and decides to keep it, she won't be getting any help from me as "I ain't havin no damn kids!". I've said this a million times, and I'll say it again. If she tries the whole child support thing, then she will have a fatal accident.

You can drop dead at any given moment. Go ahead, I'll laugh my fucking ass off, and so will every other girl you fucked over. [QUOTE] Good for them. If I drop dead, I won't be caring much what anybody else is doing now will I? Didn't think so.

As for abortion being illegal. Yes lets ban that, and gay marrage, and gey rights, and women rights, and don't let thoses show any skin, or hair, hey get back to church you! What you aren't a Christian/Muslim! Off with her head! Hey you, that's not Christian music! Lets lynch him! Hey that guy's black, shoot him, he stole my bike!

I say leave it to the people to decide what they want to do with themselves. You are not god, nor do you speak for god. Laws are subjective and anyone who thinks they knows what's wrong or right should get a reality check.

Cheamo - June 8, 2006 03:46 PM (GMT)
Nigger stole my bike!


Seriously though, what about the child. It's the mother's own damn fault she got pregnant, and I don't see why that gives her the right to kill a baby, unless it's rape... I have no opinion on that subject.

It seems like just putting the child up for adoption is a far superior way of dealing with the issue.

Sephious - June 8, 2006 06:01 PM (GMT)
I agree with Cheamo. A mother has no right to kill her child after it has been born, so what's the difference if that child is still in the womb?

QueenieKai - June 9, 2006 01:18 AM (GMT)
The law says it's illegal CHTHON, not me. If you want to take it up with the law, then do so.

What if the birth would kill the mother? What if she was raped?

You can't say these things were the mother's fault. Would you ban abortion, only to find that there are women out there who can die from giving birth? Not from getting pregnant, but from giving birth because the mother's body cannot handle? The mother gets pregnant, she has been perfectly healthy. She goes check up one day and realizes that there's something wrong with her. She is in need of an abortion, because she can die from giving birth to this child.... Who would you chose? The mother or the baby? If you illegalize abortion, the baby AND the mother will die. Surely, saving one life is more important --at this point-- than the immorality of abortion and saving no life at all?

People can practice safe sex, but it doesn't mean it's always one-hundred percent safe.

Using birth control is the same thing! You have sex, and the birth control pills just keeps you in cycle, meaning it cleans out your womb out (even the embryo that could have possibly been fertilized).

If you're going to ban abortion, then you mind as well ban birth control pills.

Abortion shouldn't be illegal, but abortion shouldn't be available to the mass community like chocolate is. It should only be available under special circumstances.

CHTHON - June 9, 2006 01:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (QueenieKai @ Jun 8 2006, 07:18 PM)
The law says it's illegal CHTHON, not me. If you want to take it up with the law, then do so.

What if the birth would kill the mother? What if she was raped?

You can't say these things were the mother's fault. Would you ban abortion, only to find that there are women out there who can die from giving birth? Not from getting pregnant, but from giving birth because the mother's body cannot handle? The mother gets pregnant, she has been perfectly healthy. She goes check up one day and realizes that there's something wrong with her. She is in need of an abortion, because she can die from giving birth to this child.... Who would you chose? The mother or the baby? If you illegalize abortion, the baby AND the mother will die. Surely, saving one life is more important --at this point-- than the immorality of abortion and saving no life at all?

People can practice safe sex, but it doesn't mean it's always one-hundred percent safe.

Using birth control is the same thing! You have sex, and the birth control pills just keeps you in cycle, meaning it cleans out your womb out (even the embryo that could have possibly been fertilized).

If you're going to ban abortion, then you mind as well ban birth control pills.

Abortion shouldn't be illegal, but abortion shouldn't be available to the mass community like chocolate is. It should only be available under special circumstances.

Where the hell you from? Abortion sure ain't illegal here, and when I lived in LA, it wasn't illegal there. Nor is it Illegal in Boston.

Danielle - June 9, 2006 02:12 AM (GMT)
Because of my diabetes I could have super fat kids.

If I had consistant, or even some, high blood sugars during pregnancy the sugar would be in my womb and the baby would be eating it and I could have like ... a 15 lbs kid!

Another good reason not to have kids.

Tyrano Thierem - June 9, 2006 02:19 AM (GMT)
Or if you do make sure that either:

A ) you don't have any blood sugar thingy bad whatever to effect them

Or

B ) When they are born the oven is turned on to 150º

Danielle - June 9, 2006 02:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tyrano Thierem @ Jun 8 2006, 08:19 PM)
A ) you don't have any blood sugar thingy bad whatever to effect them


If you don't have any blood sugar, YOU DIE!


But, I'm up for the second one.





Not like I ever want to have kids anyways.

Dewaldo - June 9, 2006 02:37 AM (GMT)
The Catholic church does support abortion in very speacial circumstances, like if the lives of the child or mother are at stake. If abortions were made illegal you would still be able to get one if your life depended on it or if you were raped or something.

I think abortion should be illegal because people are idiots. I mean, if we had the capability to always make good decisions we wouldn't even have a need for abortions in the first place (save the "special circumstances"). People who are dumb enough to have a baby they don't want shouldn't be given the choice to kill it. It's like giving a gun to a retard, they obviously don't have the intellectual capacity to use it, they're only going to end up hurting themselves or someone else.

QueenieKai - June 9, 2006 02:50 AM (GMT)
Yeah, but what if they had used birth controls and all? You can't exactly say that they're stupid for having sex if they're married. You can't exactly say that they were stupid to not use birth control, because they did. Some people can't help it if they're Fertile Myrtle.

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Abortion Legal Map

Dewaldo - June 9, 2006 03:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (QueenieKai @ Jun 8 2006, 08:50 PM)
Yeah, but what if they had used birth controls and all? You can't exactly say that they're stupid for having sex if they're married. You can't exactly say that they were stupid to not use birth control, because they did. Some people can't help it if they're Fertile Myrtle.

Edit:

Abortion Legal Map

If you want to not have a child bad enough to kill an innocent baby then just don't have sex at all.

I mean, contraceptives are fine and dandy, but just because you got pregnent on the pill doesn't give you the right to get an abortion.

the.lamp - June 9, 2006 04:26 AM (GMT)
Why is it that the life of a first world fetus is more valuable than thousands of third world lives? People die all the time. A dozen people probably died in the time it took for me to write this and I'm not going to shed a fucking tear for every one of them. No, death isn't a good thing but it happens. No, killing someone (including an unborn child) isn't a good thing but it's a person's decision to do so. And not just legally or socially, but the person has to live with the fact that they killed something the rest of their lives, and it was their choice to do it.

If you pick up a shotgun and blow out your neighbours brains, you have to deal with the reprocussions. If you want to abort the baby, you are going to have to deal with reprocussions regardless of if your country says it's legal or not.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that abortion is humane in comparison to infanticide. People are just a bunch of fucking animals looking out for themselves in their most basic nature, and it's always been this way and it always will be. Abortion is to the 21st century as infanticide is to even century before it.

Hey_dude - June 9, 2006 04:32 AM (GMT)
I agree, but on a more, (Well, I can't think of the word so I'm going to say extreem) level.

There are too many people on the earth as it is right now. We should be making more places (Again, forgot the word) Hibitual.

And reducing the populaiton. China's got it right, Only one(Or is it two) child per family. And Chinese people actually care about how thier life will turn out, and how thier childrens lives will turn out.

Dang, Why couldn't I be chinese...

the.lamp - June 9, 2006 04:38 AM (GMT)
We're gonna max out at about 10 billion. Death isn't look so bad.

You might think the.lamp's some sort of hypocrite, but if I died tommorow I don't think it would matter. The human race as a whole is going to continue and it's survival of the fittest and nothing else. People die. It's nature. People are a force of nature so if they kill their own children it's still a force of nature killing them. A lot of animals will consume their own children and no one seems to be trying to start laws against that.

Sephious - June 9, 2006 04:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (the.lamp @ Jun 8 2006, 10:26 PM)
Why is it that the life of a first world fetus is more valuable than thousands of third world lives? People die all the time. A dozen people probably died in the time it took for me to write this and I'm not going to shed a fucking tear for every one of them. No, death isn't a good thing but it happens. No, killing someone (including an unborn child) isn't a good thing but it's a person's decision to do so. And not just legally or socially, but the person has to live with the fact that they killed something the rest of their lives, and it was their choice to do it.

If you pick up a shotgun and blow out your neighbours brains, you have to deal with the reprocussions. If you want to abort the baby, you are going to have to deal with reprocussions regardless of if your country says it's legal or not.

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that abortion is humane in comparison to infanticide. People are just a bunch of fucking animals looking out for themselves in their most basic nature, and it's always been this way and it always will be. Abortion is to the 21st century as infanticide is to even century before it.

There's nothing humane about abortion, or any other type of murder. By your reasoning, a criminal shouldn't be punished after shifting the brain matter of a group of people because he "has to live with it".

Danielle - June 9, 2006 04:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dewaldo @ Jun 8 2006, 08:37 PM)
It's like giving a gun to a retard, they obviously don't have the intellectual capacity to use it, they're only going to end up hurting themselves or someone else.

I don't think I've ever heard you say somthing like that.

the.lamp - June 9, 2006 04:40 AM (GMT)
Whatever society does to him, I think, is minimal in comparison to guilt. If you don't feel guilt for murder I can't consider you fully human.

WhitneyLynn - June 9, 2006 04:42 AM (GMT)
It's easy for a guy to say that females should have the kid and put it up for adoption.. Especially guys who likely have not been put into that situation. But think about what it would be like having to carry around a baby for 9 months? How many people are going to want to date a pregnant lady? It also may be a problem when guys finds out you have a kid. It's "like sticking a hot dog down a tunnel" someone said to me today. No thanks. Even if the child is put up for adoption, that is something you have to deal with your whole life. I don't believe in pro-life, so maybe that's why this is my opinion. And I didn't go to a Catholic school, where they put ideas into my head.. That's what I heard they do, anyway.

Syaoransbear - June 9, 2006 04:44 AM (GMT)
I think people should be able to abort babies if they want to, but not as a method of birth control. If it's illegal and the parent doesn't want it, do you think she's going to give a fuck if she does drugs and drinks alcohol?

It's okay under certain circumstances, like:

1) It will kill the mother
2) She was raped
3) She did use protection, but it failed.

The third one is all about luck. Considering over 50% of most people who are TRYING to get pregnant don't succeed within the first 6 months, you'd have to be pretty unlucky to get pregnant while using protection.

And to all the people who say "MAYBE YOU JUST SHOULDN'T HAVE SEX IF YOU DON'T WANT KIDS": You definitely don't believe that.

the.lamp - June 9, 2006 04:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (WhitneyLynn @ Jun 8 2006, 10:42 PM)
And I didn't go to a Catholic school, where they put ideas into my head.. That's what I heard they do, anyway.

I'm pretty sure there's a bias here due to that.

Danielle - June 9, 2006 04:48 AM (GMT)
I think that safe abortions should be provided to woman, because some woman are using unsafe methods that are grossly unsanitary and dangerous to their own lives.

Example: a coat hanger.

the.lamp - June 9, 2006 04:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Danielle @ Jun 8 2006, 10:48 PM)
I think that safe abortions should be provided to woman, because some woman are using unsafe methods that are grossly unsanitary and dangerous to their own lives.

Example: a coat hanger.

That's close to my point about infanticide. It's going to happen no matter what. In third world countries, this happens all the time. It's going to happen legal or not no matter where you live. It's fucking arrogant for people in the first world to act like this.

Syaoransbear - June 9, 2006 04:51 AM (GMT)
Within the first 2 months of being pregnant, all an abortion is is a pill. I saw this really bad movie called vera green or some other color and they just soap, man.

If a woman gets pregnant and she isn't allowed an abortion, suicide seems like a good idea. And it's not like abortion can be a bad thing. Stem cell research. You could save so many lives with a fetus.

Bob Dole - June 9, 2006 04:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Syaoransbear @ Jun 8 2006, 10:44 PM)
I think people should be able to abort babies if they want to, but not as a method of birth control. If it's illegal and the parent doesn't want it, do you think she's going to give a fuck if she does drugs and drinks alcohol?

It's okay under certain circumstances, like:

1) It will kill the mother
2) She was raped
3) She did use protection, but it failed.

The third one is all about luck. Considering over 50% of most people who are TRYING to get pregnant don't succeed within the first 6 months, you'd have to be pretty unlucky to get pregnant while using protection.

And to all the people who say "MAYBE YOU JUST SHOULDN'T HAVE SEX IF YOU DON'T WANT KIDS": You definitely don't believe that.

the Catholic church will only let you abort according to the first one.

Sephious - June 9, 2006 04:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (WhitneyLynn @ Jun 8 2006, 10:42 PM)
It's easy for a guy to say that females should have the kid and put it up for adoption.. Especially guys who likely have not been put into that situation. But think about what it would be like having to carry around a baby for 9 months? How many people are going to want to date a pregnant lady? It also may be a problem when guys finds out you have a kid. It's "like sticking a hot dog down a tunnel" someone said to me today. No thanks. Even if the child is put up for adoption, that is something you have to deal with your whole life. I don't believe in pro-life, so maybe that's why this is my opinion. And I didn't go to a Catholic school, where they put ideas into my head.. That's what I heard they do, anyway.

How many people are going to date a pregnant lady? Exactly. No fucking shit no one's going to date a pregnant lady, because they don't want somebody else's baby (read: problem) plopped into their lives.

It's all about choice. If you choose to have sex, even with protection and still conceive, it's your own damn fault anyway. I'm not saying I'd never have sex without trying to have a baby, but I'd be man enough to accept the consequences if I did happen to produce a child in the festival of slapping. The fact of the matter is, I wouldn't have sex with any random hussy. The person would have to mean something to me, and I'd be by her side the whole time.

Also, being in a Catholic school has nothing to do with my opinion. I'm not even a Christian, rather than a Catholic. I believe what I believe because I can.

Bob Dole - June 9, 2006 04:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Syaoransbear @ Jun 8 2006, 10:51 PM)
Within the first 2 months of being pregnant, all an abortion is is a pill. I saw this really bad movie called vera green or some other color and they just soap, man.

If a woman gets pregnant and she isn't allowed an abortion, suicide seems like a good idea. And it's not like abortion can be a bad thing. Stem cell research. You could save so many lives with a fetus.

You know there is stem cells in the umbilical cord. So you don't have to kill babies.

Syaoransbear - June 9, 2006 05:03 AM (GMT)
From what I've seen, guys are usually against abortion more than girls are. Guys just get to sit back and watch the girl be called a whore through her entire pregnancy, and they don't seem to realize how much pregnancy sucks. It's okay for guys to be against abortion, they don't have to deal with it.

Sephious - June 9, 2006 05:08 AM (GMT)
Being sexist is fine and dandy, but my opinion wouldn't change one bit if I were a woman. I realize that pregnancy sucks. So does a lot of things. Many women decide to have more than one child and wouldn't change that for anything in the world, so surely abortion couldn't just be the easy way out. Not at all.

"Thank God I got to end that child's life prematurely just so I'm not embarrassed by all the people calling me a whore. I mean, what other people think of me is way more important than the life of another"

Syaoransbear - June 9, 2006 05:18 AM (GMT)
I'm not being sexist, I DO see a lot more men against abortion than women. There's proof in this thread, all of the girls are for abortion.

Sephious - June 9, 2006 05:23 AM (GMT)
QueenieKai is for abortion under certain circumstances. Hell, I'm not even completely against abortion. I'm against abortion for when it would be "convenient" which is where most of this crap spawned from. Convenience should not be a factor when getting an abortion.

Also, it's not like this thread with a whopping number of 5 replies from girls is proof in itself.




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